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Good day on the gold for me
Lost £900 with a stop loss, but then realised that gold was bouncing up and down around the same value so just looked for 1-2% profits on a £30k pot. Dabbled with a couple of shorts but given that gold is generally rising in the long term I figured that placing buys and waiting was a safer strategy.
Lost £900 with a stop loss, but then realised that gold was bouncing up and down around the same value so just looked for 1-2% profits on a £30k pot. Dabbled with a couple of shorts but given that gold is generally rising in the long term I figured that placing buys and waiting was a safer strategy.
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One is very useful for a mildly intelligent person to make money, the other isn't.
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Gold is a law to itself. Nobody knows, there's no company behind it. You're playing with razor blades.
You have to be sittng there.
That's what I've been banging on about for a year - go with the trend.
But look - If you'd gone long at yelloww and missed the drop, you could have held for 5 days and got your money back.
Meanwhile, gold was 50 down, which at x20 means holding the bag a grand down.
If you'd got caught at orange, that's about 80 x 20 = 1600 down, maybe for months?? Gold did a big U structure called a cup and handle, which took from 2012 to now, to get back to the level it was. Meanwhile the swap rate is charging you credit card rates all the time...
I bought some gold on the 3x ETF at about the orange and did a hodl. (hold on for dear life). I had to give up on it.
That's where you must have yor own RULES. A 5% drop or whatever, you MUST close. The price could always drop a couple of those long candles in one go. It would only take a Trumpfart. You must work out your "out" before you place the trade, and put your SL there.
Gold isn't like say coffee, where people will say they can't sell the drink at a certain price so it has to stop rising.
This was this morning (25th feb is the coffee contract date)
I clocked it and clicked witout thinking a lot, should have used 100x as much! I was doing some correspondence.
You can see the LEVEL from 29 November, You can expect the price to go back to the same level, ish. Gold wouldn't have been as reliable.
I thought of using it as an illustration here.. I looked atthe candles, there was no sigb of slowing, s it ahd a little way to go at least.
Sat through a couple of small reversals:
When it turned a bit later at 325 I thought it was far enough, and I'd fnished writing my letter, so closed and went for a coffee.
As it happened it went on up - I could have used a trailing stop, but nobody ever went bust taking a profit.
Got back from my morning lecture on galaxy formation which is part of the MSc in theoretical physics which I'm doing, and decided to give this a go, this afternoon. I figured that you can't just follow the premarket movers because that would be too easy, if you could just do that someone would have written a computer program to do it. But the stocks highlighted in the ttv email are things that are likely to move. So I maintained a neutral view on whether they would go up or down and just followed indicators such as pivot points, candlestick wicks and trends, happy to go long or short.
| MarketName | ProfitAndLoss | Open level | Close level | Size | PL Amount | DateUtc | OpenDateUtc |
| Stitch Fix Inc | -£16.00 | 463 | 447 | 1 | -16 | 2024-12-10T20:40:23 | 2024-12-10T15:07:42 |
| Rocket Lab USA Inc | -£40.95 | 2365.5 | 2283.6 | 0.5 | -40.95 | 2024-12-10T20:40:21 | 2024-12-10T15:02:46 |
| Alphabet Inc - A (All Sessions) | £0.72 | 18409 | 18481 | 0.01 | 0.72 | 2024-12-10T20:40:19 | 2024-12-10T14:33:33 |
| Alphabet Inc - A (All Sessions) | £2.30 | 18458 | 18481 | 0.1 | 2.3 | 2024-12-10T20:40:19 | 2024-12-10T15:10:21 |
| Tesla Motors Inc (All Sessions) | -£50.40 | 40420 | 40672 | -0.2 | -50.4 | 2024-12-10T17:38:57 | 2024-12-10T17:14:25 |
| C3.ai Inc (All Sessions) | £127.50 | 4085 | 4340 | 0.5 | 127.5 | 2024-12-10T17:16:26 | 2024-12-10T15:54:37 |
| Tesla Motors Inc (All Sessions) | -£13.70 | 40574 | 40437 | 0.1 | -13.7 | 2024-12-10T17:13:52 | 2024-12-10T15:37:22 |
| Tesla Motors Inc (All Sessions) | £5.38 | 40152 | 40421 | 0.02 | 5.38 | 2024-12-10T17:13:34 | 2024-12-10T15:00:15 |
| MicroStrategy Inc (All Sessions) | -£10.06 | 37404 | 36398 | 0.01 | -10.06 | 2024-12-10T17:05:19 | 2024-12-10T14:57:58 |
| Meta Platforms Inc (All Sessions) | £8.54 | 62255 | 61828 | -0.02 | 8.54 | 2024-12-10T16:49:13 | 2024-12-10T15:22:12 |
| Meta Platforms Inc (All Sessions) | £9.54 | 62306 | 61829 | -0.02 | 9.54 | 2024-12-10T16:49:10 | 2024-12-10T15:12:15 |
| MicroStrategy Inc (All Sessions) | -£13.50 | 37422 | 36072 | 0.01 | -13.5 | 2024-12-10T16:31:00 | 2024-12-10T15:19:15 |
| MARA Holdings Inc (All Sessions) | -£95.20 | 2453.7 | 2358.5 | 1 | -95.2 | 2024-12-10T15:58:36 | 2024-12-10T14:47:17 |
| Oracle Corp (All Sessions) | -£61.20 | 17398 | 17653 | -0.24 | -61.2 | 2024-12-10T15:36:28 | 2024-12-10T14:59:22 |
| MicroStrategy Inc (All Sessions) | -£7.38 | 37400 | 36662 | 0.01 | -7.38 | 2024-12-10T15:29:47 | 2024-12-10T15:20:32 |
| MicroStrategy Inc (All Sessions) | -£6.80 | 37343 | 36663 | 0.01 | -6.8 | 2024-12-10T15:29:38 | 2024-12-10T15:18:20 |
| Meta Platforms Inc (All Sessions) | £4.92 | 62100 | 62346 | 0.02 | 4.92 | 2024-12-10T15:12:09 | 2024-12-10T14:37:37 |
| MongoDB Inc | -£40.60 | 31984 | 31172 | 0.05 | -40.6 | 2024-12-10T14:58:44 | 2024-12-10T14:39:46 |
| MicroStrategy Inc (All Sessions) | -£3.23 | 37115 | 37438 | -0.01 | -3.23 | 2024-12-10T14:57:53 | 2024-12-10T14:36:12 |
| MongoDB Inc | -£42.78 | 31984 | 31271 | 0.06 | -42.78 | 2024-12-10T14:53:35 | 2024-12-10T14:39:46 |
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Perhaps I should just leave this to the mildly intelligent - how lucky they are.
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Well that wouldn't have taken much thought....
Remarkable that it it should enter your mind that anyone would suggest it.
Oh they have
Happen your should.
That -£50 Tesla losing trade:
You waited for hours after whatever happened in the morning, after which time it wouldn't be relevant
You opened short, in the loop, when it would have been obvious that you should have opened long
and you held on to it for half an hour while you were losing fifty quid.
And you seem to think it wasn't your fault.
Relentless bonkers behavour and thinking.
It was entirely your fault, unless you passed out .
Then you displayed it. That was plain stoopid!
The ttv analysis which you refer to is mainly about premarket movers. And you're saying that this is useful for the "mildly intelligent" to make money. So it would seem to be a reasonable thing to think that following the premarket movers is what you are suggesting. But as I said, this seems unlikely to work. You have said before that it's best to wait to see what the market is doing, and not trade in the first half an hour. And you just said that trading 2 3/4 hours after the market opens is way too late. So what on earth are you suggesting the mildly intelligent do on the basis of the ttv analysis? Heaven only knows.
Managed to lose about £20k in fake money by looking the wrong way when gold went up the other day as stop loss button wasn’t swiped …just goes to show why they’re important and how quickly you can lose a lot of money with CFD!
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Absolute crap - again. You have to apply some intelligence. Being as dumb as possible with any information will lose you money. Again.
You have to upgrade your response to using all the skill and experience you can muster, which is part of doing trading.
Wilfully acting dumb, then complaining, is just trolling. You've done it a couple of dozen times now. I've responded constructively in most cases - more than most people would.
I've said the same many times. These are starting points, you have to look at the things which traders look at. That is what on earth I am suggesting. Pretty obvious really.
Same old same old - trends levels catalysts etc.
Don't pretend you didn't know that.
If you can't do it, stop trading now.
I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of your "oh but you said", a 9 year old would see why.
I don't think your problem is being thick, I think it's psychological. It's textbook "playing the victim".
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Yes. I probably lose more to mistakes like that than making bad calls. Very annoying!
Always protect against the worst that can happen, even if it means potentially losing a win. In other words the risks have to be taken but only managed ones.
One strategy is to only trade one "instrument" at a time, but even then you have to keep going back to it if you want to adjust the stops.
Stop losses are such a pain, especially the way T212 does things - fraudulently as someone put it.
Some people stick religiously to a method -
Pick your entry point, stop-loss and Take profit before you even enter.
ALways look for a 3:1 or 4:1 probability (set by next level position, etc).
Don't enter if you can't do that.
You can also establish your own rules for entering such as
Only enter on a rise after a pullback to a range boundary, level or whatever you decide.
Only go with the trend
Only use limit orders
Then youcan add others like, as above plus:
Only go long above VWAP
Only go short below VWAP.
if they work for you.
One snag is you get bored because you can go a whole day without seeing such a restricted setup.
Then you're supposed to HODL if the price reverses at 3.9:1 instead of 4:1. Yeah right!
One mistake I used to make was hubris in the fom of deciding what I thought the market was going to do on the open and opening my trade/position in anticipation.
Participate don't anticipate! Be ready, but don't DO already! You can set buy-on-price < or > than, using limit orders.
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@kingandy2nd Gold may be fun but it's not great for learning - it doesn't behave like stocks, in general. Oil and gas don't either. Normal Price Action guides don't apply.
Something active but ordinary, say $GOOGL would be better, or $Meta (wide spreads) or $Appl.
$Tsla and $Nvidia aren't iconoclastic either, but you can't avoid them. SOme stocks like AMD are outliers too, that one because it's extremely overpriced - check the P/E ratios. Nvidia has huge earnings, so a lower P/E.
Something active but ordinary, say $GOOGL would be better, or $Meta (wide spreads) or $Appl.
$Tsla and $Nvidia aren't iconoclastic either, but you can't avoid them. SOme stocks like AMD are outliers too, that one because it's extremely overpriced - check the P/E ratios. Nvidia has huge earnings, so a lower P/E.
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