Stop and Search powers to be made permanent

[SirGalahad]

I’m not concerned about that in the slightest. If they’re law abiding, neither should they. I live near Upminster train station. It’s at the very end of the District line. I’ve lost count of the number of school kids that have been relieved of their bikes, phones and trainers by gangs of black, yes, black kids that don’t live here but come down on the train to carry out street robbery. Since the police started stop search on black kids hanging around the station in summer with hooded puffer jackets on, the number of robberies have gone down. Fact - although you might not like it. Mind you, of late they have got street smart and it seems that the 'weapon' of choice is……a metal walking crutch. I kid you not.

Each innocent person you stop is one opportunity missed in stopping a possible felon. So tell me why not having more Police is a better response? Wait on you just said that yourself but then vote against it.

You think because they are black kids committing this crime I will defend them? Lol it just shows your bigotry. Note that in my criticism of extending the power I did not mention the effect on ethnic minorities because it is secondary to the more important issue which you again fail to address.

So you just argued against yourself again. You described who the criminals are and what they are doing - that is enough to stop and search people who fit that description - it's warranted and an efficient use of resources. Extending this power so that without suspicion you can cast the net wider does not mean you will catch more its more likely you may miss people who you should stop.

 

[Mottie]

Of course stop-and-search is racially biased - thats why the RWRs love it so much.

I don’t know what a 'RWR' is. I think noseall once said said it was a right wing re tard.

Yeah, it was. Is that what it means?

 

[SirGalahad]

They are very well paid, not particularly well educated and highly unionised. Crime has also changed. There is a lot more fraud, international organised crime and better technology that means we probably don't need local police stations with local police wandering about on patrol.

Mottie would disagree.

I thought Blue Lives Matter?

 

[ellal]

And there we have the raving prejudiced voice of someone who cant wait to live in a police state because he thinks he will be one of the privileged ones.

And yet He will be one of those squealing the loudest when his one man protest is banned because he spoke above a whisper level...

But I reckon He hasn't the balls to protest about anything!

 

[Mottie]

Each innocent person you stop is one opportunity missed in stopping a possible felon.

I've never been stopped and searched but I have been stopped in my car as part of a drink-drive campaign. Just spoken to, not breathalysed. I’ve also been randomly stopped in my car on my way to work in a random police stop where they were checking those especially in marked vans for social security fraud. I’ve been phoned up by a tax inspector and asked why the landline telephone number on the side of my van wasn’t the same address as the van was registered to. I’ve been stopped on the train station to have my Oyster card read to check my journey. None of those held me up for more than 5 minutes and I was only to happy to help. It’s random checks like those that help keep offences down. I didn’t get all chippy and start protesting. What would you have done in those circumstances?

 

[Mottie]

But I reckon He hasn't the balls to protest about anything!

Wrong! I’m writing a letter right now to Sajid Javid protesting that my last three months of furlough payments are being reduced. Blooming cheek - I'm also going to protest that they have gone all quiet about the £1k per employee retention bonus that was promised in February but was withdrawn when they extended the scheme. So there. Mottie DOES care!

 

[SirGalahad]

I've never been stopped and searched but I have been stopped in my car as part of a drink-drive campaign. Just spoken to, not breathalysed. I’ve also been randomly stopped in my car on my way to work in a random police stop where they were checking those especially in marked vans for social security fraud. I’ve been phoned up by a tax inspector and asked why the landline telephone number on the side of my van wasn’t the same address as the van was registered to. I’ve been stopped on the train station to have my Oyster card read to check my journey. None of those held me up for more than 5 minutes and I was only to happy to help. It’s random checks like those that help keep offences down. I didn’t get all chippy and start protesting. What would you have done in those circumstances?

So you are again making a straw man argument. Either you are being facetious or you really are scraping the barrel.

In each of the cases above you proved why they targeted you - anyone can be doing social security fraud. They called you to check your landline isn'r random lol.

The only possible random one is the Oyster card.

 

[SirGalahad]

Wrong! I’m writing a letter right now to Sajid Javid protesting that my last three months of furlough payments are being reduced. Blooming cheek - I'm also going to protest that they have gone all quiet about the £1k per employee retention bonus that was promised in February but was withdrawn when they extended the scheme. So there. Mottie DOES care!

Sajid? Rishi the Chancellor but perhaps they all look alike to you.

 

[Mottie]

Sajid? Rishi the Chancellor but perhaps they all look alike to you.

Oh ****……. I got confused as this is a Law and order thread. I even checked the spelling first! You can see I’m a true blue Tory boy. I can tell the difference - Rishi has a full head of hair and Sajid looks like Al Murray with a sun tan. I’ll stop digging now.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

There is a lot more fraud, international organised crime

Does S&S work against those?

and better technology

Better than S&S?

we probably don't need local police stations with local police wandering about on patrol.

Mottie wont like that - cant do S&S via drones, or with people in offices decrypting intercepted messages and tracing the flow of money.

 

[Lower]

How many police stations have closed since 2010?

I support our Police, I want a well trained and funded Police. It benefits everyone but cheap gimmicks and tricks always works with you. Why?

So more police on the street, each carrying out the same number of stop and searches as an officer does now. Doesn't that mean an overall increase in the amount of stop and search? Isn't that what the government have proposed? Ie more targeted stop and search.

Around the world, strong and zero tolerance policing has repeatedly produced overall reductions in crime.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Then you will have no problem providing robust proof that increased S&S here has reduced crime, will you.

 

[Ihavenojob]

The only possible random one is the Oyster card.

Have you seen the fare dodging programme on TV ?

 

[JohnD]

Around the world, reduction in lead pollution damaging childrens brains, has repeatedly produced overall reductions in crime.

It happened about 20 years after leaded petrol was banned.

 

[Bodd]

Last election Lib Dems as a tactial vote.

I bet that worked