Strikes

In unrelated news, pensioners are promised a handsome increase.
Are we? They suspended the triple lock in September 2021, which was designed to keep pensioners out of the poverty trap. All they are doing is re-instating something which they promised never to remove in their election manifesto. In the UK we don't have a "world beating" pension - even Ireland has a better state pension than we do, according to a parliamentary report in March 2022

In other unrelated news, most pensioners vote conservative.
Not all of us - some of us have the intellegence to see what the Tories are like!
 
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Maybe everybody should get a 20% wage rise. Would the RMT be happy with that?
The RMT are asking for 7%. Inflation is now 9.1% and predicted 11% by the end of the year. Unlike many people, many RMT membere, such as the signallers, fo example, can't just change employers - there is only one employer, Network Rail.

I have no sympathy with the RMT, they are reported to be some of the highest paid in industry...
By who? The Tory press? As stated by someone else (and the BBC), for starters the RMT doesn't actually represent the train drivers - most of them belong to ASLEF (who aren't on strike). So Shapps trotting that figure out in interviews is him actively seeking to mislead. Shapps has also stated that rail workers salaries have increased 40% in the last 10 years - another blatant lie, when the ONS states that the figure is actually 24%. Or roughly analogous to the increases of the incomes of the population as a whole (23%).

In fact the RMT represents the cleaners, booking office staff, maintenance staff, signallers, etc who most certainly aren't on £60 to £80k. According to the ONS the median salary of rail workers excluding train and tram drivers is £36.8k, but that figure doesn't include a lot of lower paid roles such as carriage cleaners, part time workers, etc - if you include those then the median wage of RMT members is £31k according to the RMT (although the BBC get a figure of £33k)

Talk of making it possible for agency workers to cover for those on strike.
And how does that work for railway signallers? A number of weeks ago one signaller went sick at Preston and the entire Leeds to Manchester service via Bradford crashed for about 6 hours (no trains at all, then a partial service for the rest of the day). This was because they have no spare signallers at all in holiday periods. Also, not all these roles can be filled by temporary agency staff. The safety training standards of track maintenance staff and signallers, for example, require a LOT of training and keeping up to date with their certification which few if any temps could manage. This means that agency staff won't hack it for the most safety critical roles

However, the RMT strikes are all about politics and little to do with the welfare of the union members.
The RMT strike was voted for by its' members. In other words it was a democratic decision (you know, like voting for Brexit...) It isn't Arthur Scargill and the NUM trying to bring down the Tory government (although that moron Shapps would have you believe it is), it's about a union trying to safeguard its' members jobs and get a decent level of pay for them - especially the lowest paid in their ranks. In case you weren't aware, that's why trades unions exist
 
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Ah, right. Is that what those train drivers on an average of £50k a year are striking for, the poor people on minimum wage or do they think that just they should be getting a 9%+ rise?
You need to get out more, or read a paper other than the Daily Mail! The train drivers belong to ASLEF, not the NUR, and ASLEF members are not striking. Fact!! (if I dare use that much over-used word)
 
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This time last year, many strikers and potential strikers were sitting at home drawing furlough wages .....paid by the taxpayer, whilst their businesses were shutting down due to Covid. Now showing their gratitude by demanding more, more, more :(
Wrong! As someone who actually worked through the pandemic and who mostly uses public transport I can assure you that rail workers weren't at home on furlough - the trains ran more or less normally in order to get essential and key workers (e.g. medical staff, shop workers, workers in the food industry, workers in transport and distribution, etc) plus people who couldn't work from home to work, so not many rail staff were sitting at home on their arses, unlike, in all probability people like you (?)
 
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I worked through this covid caper

Entirely

Did any one thank Transam for risking his life

Nah no one not even a mention in the honours list
 
Talk of making it possible for agency workers to cover for those on strike.
Talk of a law to allow that. Cameron thought about it and abandoned as unfeasible. It could only be done with jobs that need no significant training. Drivers no chance but they aren't on strike. Cleaners - maybe. Singlemen ???

When you hear about airport staff striking you may not hear that the want their precovid pay rates back. It's about 10% less. They have been offered that as a one off payment. Not the same as an increase in salary.
 
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By who? The Tory press? As stated by someone else (and the BBC), for starters the RMT doesn't actually represent the train drivers - most of them belong to ASLEF (who aren't on strike). So Shapps trotting that figure out in interviews is him actively seeking to mislead. Shapps has also stated that rail workers salaries have increased 40% in the last 10 years - another blatant lie, when the ONS states that the figure is actually 24%. Or roughly analogous to the increases of the incomes of the population as a whole (23%).

ASLEF, the train drivers’ trade union, today [Thursday] announced strike action over pay:

Drivers at Greater Anglia will strike between 00:01 and 23:59 Thursday 23 June 2022.

[ii] Drivers at Hull Trains will strike between 00:01 and 23:59 on Sunday 26 June.

[iii] And tram drivers in south London will strike for a fair pay deal from 00:01 on Tuesday 28 June until 23:59 on Wednesday 29 June and from 00:01 on Wednesday 13 July until 23:59 on Thursday 14 July.



Talking of liars?
 
that’s just Greater Anglia and Hull train drivers….so what a few dozen

Is Croydon in Anglia or Hull?, are you saying ASLEF aren't taking strike action?
Hey , I'm not the one shouting from the rooftops that ASLEF aren't striking, or that average salary claims are unfair because it includes highly paid train drivers in the equation.

I'm just saying that if you insist on calling the entire government liars based on that claim, don't make claims that are in fact a pack of lies.

I detest liars Notch, as you well know.
 
ASLEF, the train drivers’ trade union, today [Thursday] announced strike action over pay:
So what - the ASLEF strike is a different strike in the future and it is only 2 operators, not the whole network

And for the benefit of others who may be unaware, Merseyrail have agreed a 7% rise with the TSSA. But then, that's Liverpool, with a Labour council, so not likely to listen to Shapps and co telling them not to budge. Unusually sensible for Liverpool, I'd say
 
I'm just saying that if you insist on calling the entire government liars based on that claim, don't make claims that are in fact a pack of lies.
But some, like Shapps, are lying. And as for Johnson... every time he opens his mouth a half truth, evasion or a downright lie seems to ooze out
 
Effin stupid.
Of course everyone wants to keep up with inflation. But if you just print money, nobody's better off.

If HMG made a good case for accepting a bit less to avoid a horrible spiral like many of us have seen before, many would accept it.

Announce a figure, with maybe a higher number for those on under £xxx or dibble with tax so the lower paid benefit.
 
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