Stud wall securing

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What's the best way of finding the joist when securing the top plate of a stud wall to the ceiling? Thanks
 
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Measure in from the access hatch below and then from above.
Failing that, small masonry drill bit. It'll go through the plaster of the ceiling but not, the wooden joist. Try and repeat, until you hit something. Note, the ceiling pendant will likely be attached to a joist and then, 400mm (?) intervals away from this is a good starter.
 
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Thanks then my timber uprights on the wall I should make at 400mm centres?
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