Supremacy of Parliament. "the arm twisting and arguments failed"

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

With respect, no-one - either you, me or anyone else - can possibly know the outcome for this country of Leaving the EU.

If that is true, then no-one can possibly know the outcome of staying in the EU.
So the vote and subsequent process of leaving is based purely and simply on ideology.
Ideology akin to this perhaps:

Immigration alone will change the culture of Europe over the next 50 years, as the religion of newcomers is hostile to Western liberal values and traditions.

As foreigners its all there fault any way

So this 'Leave' ideology is based purely on fear of foreigners.
Although, just as no-one can know the outcome of leaving, or staying in, the EU, no-one can know the outcome of, if any, cultural change.

Thus this ideology is totally prejudicial.

 

[Doggit]

How can her beliefs have changed because of a vote?
Do you change your beliefs because a lot of people disagree with you?

It would appear that she, and a lot of others, would rather do what they consider undesirable, and hence keep their jobs, than stick to their principles

So what do you do when a client says no, I want it done this way, not your way. Do you follow his instructions, or say no, I don't believe that's right, you can get someone else to do it your way because I'm not going to. But you work for yourself, so you have the right to follow your beliefs, whereas MPs work for us, and have to follow the way we instructed them to do in the referendum. Theresa May was a remainer, and in her heart of hearts may well still be, but she's carrying out the vote that we instructed her to do. All those trying to scupper the brexit deal, are the ones that think that they know better than anyone else, and that we the voters are too ignorant to know what they are doing, so they justify their actions by saing they will follow their conscience, and do what's best for us.

They're just arrogant hypocrites who would be fired in any other job, when they tell the MD that no, they think he's wrong, and they're not going to follow his instructions.

 

[JohnD]

the vote that we instructed her to do

she called an election and asked us to vote her back with an increased majority so she could steamroller opposition and hammer through her (undefined) version of Brexit. We did the opposite.

 

[Doggit]

Did the opposite; well that's a bit of a stretch; she still got voted back in. Yes shame that she had to gt to the back stabbing DUP, but Corbyn didn't get elected, so we didn't quite do the opposite did we.

But yes, she screwed up horrendously.

 

[EFLImpudence]

So what do you do when a client says no, I want it done this way, not your way. Do you follow his instructions, or say no, I don't believe that's right, you can get someone else to do it your way because I'm not going to. But you work for yourself, so you have the right to follow your beliefs,

My work had nothing to do with beliefs. There were rules I had to follow.

whereas MPs work for us, and have to follow the way we instructed them to do in the referendum.

That is not the case, which you quitters just will not accept.
It is a representative democracy.

'The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy.'

Sir Winston Churchill on the Duties of a Member of Parliament.

Theresa May was a remainer, and in her heart of hearts may well still be, but she's carrying out the vote that we instructed her to do.

Therefore she is not doing what she considers best for the country.

All those trying to scupper the brexit deal, are the ones that think that they know better than anyone else, and that we the voters are too ignorant to know what they are doing, so they justify their actions by saing they will follow their conscience, and do what's best for us.

A lot were and still are ignorant of everything.

They're just arrogant hypocrites who would be fired in any other job, when they tell the MD that no, they think he's wrong,and they're not going to follow his instructions.

Wrong way round, surely.
May is the MD and that's what you have told her - that she was wrong; do something else.

 

[Notch7]

My work had nothing to do with beliefs. There were rules I had to follow.

And the rule was that the democratic decision was to leave, so that is what the prime minister is doing.

And what is being done is highly similar to labours policy -a soft Brexit (depending which policy that is, as it changes every day).

 

[JohnD]

And Conservative policy has not been defined or agreed (perhaps it never will be, since Theresa's Cabinet are at each other's throats).

The UK's objectives for Brexit were not defined before the referendum, so nobody knew quite what they were voting for. Some people assumed, and some people lied.

 

[Brigadier]

And Conservative policy has not been defined or agreed (perhaps it never will be, since Theresa's Cabinet are at each other's throats).

I wouldn't expect them to have been, otherwise one's negotiating position is weakened.

The UK's objectives for Brexit were not defined before the referendum..........

Ditto.

 

[SirGalahad]

I wouldn't expect them to have been, otherwise one's negotiating position is weakened.

You mean defined publicly. As not having a clear grasp of what you want in a negotiation is not going to end well for you.

 

[Brigadier]

Unless JD is a Tory cabinet member, that is self-evident.

 

[SirGalahad]

Unless JD is a Tory cabinet member, that is self-evident.

But then what of all the ministers talking publicly of how they would have their "cake and eat it", only to pretty much accept all the EU demands? Was it delusional thinking?

 

[Brigadier]

And Conservative policy has not been defined or agreed ............

 

[JohnD]

I wouldn't expect them to have been, otherwise one's negotiating position is weakened.

So you think that the EU weakened their position by agreeing among themselves what they wanted? And setting it down in position papers?

Wow, that must be why they kept rolling over and giving in to David's demands.

Oh no....

 

[Brigadier]

Did the EU set these out before the referendum?

The UK's objectives for Brexit were not defined before the referendum, so nobody knew quite what they were voting for. Some people assumed, and some people lied.

 

[EFLImpudence]

And the rule was that the democratic decision was to leave, so that is what the prime minister is doing.

Therefore the MD is working toward what she believes, or at least believed, is detrimental to her company.

She must be doing what she believes is wrong or has changed her mind, therefore wrong now or wrong before.
Either way, doesn't seem like good management.