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This is a dangerous power grab and those crowing about bring on Brexit will sing a different tune when a party they they didnt vote for and possibly despise wins power and now has all those powers available to it.

Removing checks and balances is a dangerous path to go down.
 
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This is a dangerous power grab and those crowing about bring on Brexit will sing a different tune when a party they they didnt vote for and possibly despise wins power and now has all those powers available to it.

Removing checks and balances is a dangerous path to go down.
Exactly.

No matter how 'benign' any political party seems at the moment, it can change very quickly.

What we learn from history (apart from the fact that we don't learn from history) is that if something is not explicitly ruled out then it is bound to happen!

Allowing parliament to be bypassed in this manner means that 'secondary legislation' will become the norm, and laws/regulations changed at the swipe of an appointed minister's pen.

And just to think, brexiteers are moaning about that 'undemocratic' EU - at least the EU has those checks and balances!
 
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We are not taking back control we are giving it away to special interests.

If Corbyn wins power I suspect many on here will be marching on Downing Street when they realise Parliament can be bypassed at whim.
 
Complete power grab.

Can some of the Brexiteers here remind me of where we are now was not quite "as advertised" during the brexit debate and the brexit vote? or was it all smoking mirrors, combined with the dreaded fear factor and a push from prezzie Trump fake news? with no safety net of a plan "B"

Today as we all know, the SNP walked out of the English Parliament directly into the hands of OOr wee Nicola who will even now still be punching the air as a gift from the Gods as far as the cause of the SNP is concerned.

OK Joking aside, Theresa has swept aside, torn up a long standing "Agreement" as regards devolved power to the Scottish Parliament, but not to worry that the Tories have trashed years of devolved area powers, Promising [spit spit] to reinstate as some as yet undisclosed future date to reinstate the present status quo. Step forward Nicola, just exactly what is needed, Woo Hoo, once bitten twice shy, springs to mind

Tell that to the Scottish fishermen who will still see all the European nations plundering UK waters, there is a value in fish amounting to several millions of pounds per year to the UK economy?
 
The fishing rights issue is a red herring. The fishing fleets are controlled by a few large operators.

Rees Mogg et al were playing on people's ignorance once again.

You won't get Brexit answering these questions which have a greater impact on our democracy.

Hang your head in shame.
 
I see a**e end is not aware of the kind of democracy that is used in UK. Maybe he thinks there is only one kind.
Direct democracy is one kind, where every eligible person votes on every eligible issue. We do not have that in the UK.
Representative democracy, the kind practised in UK, is where the people elect representatives to make those decisions for them.

The referendum was not a democratic referendum, it was simply a referendum, for the people to give their representatives an idea of the mood of the nation. There is no legal or historic basis for those representatives to follow the referendum result. They are still free to vote as their conscience dictates.
Some countries do have democratic referendums, it is written into their constitution, sometimes for specific reasons or issues.
We do not have a written constitution.

Of course, we all know that Brexit is absolutely nothing to do with representatives conscience, the will of the people, etc, and all to do with party survival.

:rolleyes: more ball cocks from r bee .:LOL: It may be disappointing to you . But this is the UK not UK-a-stahn ;)
 
A democratic referendum can mean just that: A referendum that is held in a democratic manner.
There is no such thing (in the UK) as a democratic referendum!
Historically referendums within the United Kingdom were opposed on the supposition that they violate the principle of parliamentary sovereignty.
Referendums are not legally binding, so legally the Government can ignore the results; for example, even if the result of a pre-legislative referendum were a majority of "No" for a proposed law, Parliament could pass it anyway, because parliament is sovereign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_in_the_United_Kingdom

If a referendum was taken in say Zimbabwe, it may be rigged, so an undemocratic referendum.
Just a rigged referendum. :rolleyes:

What you are saying is the the 2016 referendum was a constitutional referendum.
Your imagination in overdrive again? :rolleyes:

If you can show me a technical definition of democratic referendum that concurs with your post, Im happy to stand corrected. (y)
That'll be the day. :rolleyes:
You will just squirm wriggle and go round in circles, as usual.
What will you invent next?

Time to go back to discussing astrophysics with my 3 year old grandchild, at least we both know when they have learnt something new.
 
Oh, does it?
Is that a genuine question?
Or just another silly response because you want to challenge it but do not have the wit to do so?

Think: both Houses of Parliament, the Judicial system, and the Media.

Interestingly, a BBC article, way back in 1998, recognised the ECHR and devolution as another two of those checks and balances, both of which the government want to over-ride.

By BBC Constitutional Affairs Correspondent Joshua Rozenberg.

In constitutional theory, parliament is supreme and the executive is merely its handmaiden. In practical politics, the government can generally rely on a majority in the House of Commons to vote for its proposals.

What checks and balances does our constitution have to stop the UK becoming, in Lord Hailsham's famous phrase, an 'elective dictatorship'?

The judiciary and the media

First, of course, there are the courts. In recent years, the judges have fashioned judicial review into a powerful check on the executive.

Although the judges have always insisted that they are not concerned with the decisions taken by ministers - merely the way in which those decisions are taken - governments have long suspected the courts of seeking ways of overturning decisions which they do not happen to like.

Secondly, we have the media. Journalists, however influential, can do little to stop a government that believes it has public opinion on its side.

But the tabloid newspapers have been remarkably effective in forcing from office several ministers whose standards of morality and behaviour they did not consider acceptable.

Constitutional evolution

And finally, there are the constitutional changes mentioned in other sections.

It seems there can now be no major changes to the powers of parliament without approval from the people in a referendum.

With the prospect of proportional representation for elections to the House of Commons, governments may no longer be able to rely on majorities of landslide proportions.

Central government will have much less power when we have a Freedom of Information Act, when the European Convention on Human Rights is incorporated into our domestic legal systems, and when there is devolution to Scotland, Wales and perhaps - to a lesser extent - in London and some of the English regions.

These developments will further restrict the power of government, making it harder for critics to claim that the UK has an over-mighty, over-centralised executive at the heart of its constitution.

If not, the constitution will have to be changed once again.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/88182.stm
 
There is no such thing (in the UK) as a democratic referendum!

Ha ha ha.

Wannabe has googled 'democratic referendum' hoping it is a technical term meaning direct democracy......but his searched returned nothing :cry:

It isnt. poor old Wannabe has been proven wrong once more.....hence why he has made a long post trying to prove something that dodsnt exist:sleep::sleep::sleep:

Wot a doughnut :p
 
Ha ha ha.

Wannabe has googled 'democratic referendum' hoping it is a technical term meaning direct democracy......but his searched returned nothing :cry:

It isnt. poor old Wannabe has been proven wrong once more.....hence why he has made a long post trying to prove something that dodsnt exist:sleep::sleep::sleep:

Wot a doughnut :p
I was trying to have an informed and intelligent discussion.
How wrong was I!

Please highlight your proof of me being wrong, because I cannot see it in your post.
All I see is a demonic rant.
 
I was trying to have an informed and intelligent discussion.

You had no such intention.

You ranted on to prove something that has already been shown to be untrue.

You are wrong because you have tried to prove the words 'democratic referendum' somehow are a technical term for 'direct democracy -you've obviously tried to seach online to prove it, found nothing so had to end up posting a load of waffle (#41 =TLDR). Thats whats happens when you pile in too quickly trying to 'ridicule'** Transom but instead make a right Numpty of yourself :mrgreen:

**ridicule: one of Wannabe's ? Himmagin's fav words (y)
 
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