The end of the NHS

[Doug99]

What people like mottie don't understand is that the private sector don't do tricky stuff...

Unless of course a private emergency system is going to be set up, but of course you'll pay extra for what the NHS currently provides...

Before his demise the prince of greece was being treated privately, until he became rather more ill and then the NHS had to take over...

When they had pulled him through he then returned to his private hospital room...

I wonder how many in this country will be able to afford that?

I would be more than happy for the NHS to pay the private sector to take on the millions of 'non tricky stuff' and let the NHS crack on with the 'tricky stuff'. You will find that millions of the medical backlogs are relatively 'minor'.

 

[ellal]

I would be more than happy for the NHS to pay the private sector to take on the millions of 'non tricky stuff' and let the NHS crack on with the 'tricky stuff'. You will find that millions of the medical backlogs are relatively 'minor'.

Relatively minor?

Like cancer diagnosis/treatment for instance when it gets expensive?

But do tell us, should a 'non tricky' operation go wrong in the private sector who picks up the pieces?

Oh that's right, the NHS!

The private sector has always cherry picked the profitable procedures...

So as always it's privatise the profits, socialise the debt!

 

[Mottie]

Best you keep your credit card handy when the private ambulances start arriving for you old gits!

No need. I have a pre-loaded debit card and I’m putting all my furlough payments on it. ****ing thousands on there so far.

 

[Vinty]

The NHS was Britains greatest post war achievement.
Unfortunately the sharks are circulating.

 

[Vinty]

The private sector could do tricky stuff, in a NHS facilities, where the potential ICU facilities are available.

The private sector don't want the tricky stuff.
The big money is in the easy non trickystuff.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

And would the private sector have to pay the NHS for any emergency take-over of treatment?

I wouldn’t think so. They would be working on behalf of the NHS wouldn’t they so they would be fools to not have a 'what if' contract in place.

If the patients, which the private sector have treated, are genuine potential NHS patients, the private sector wouldn't have to pay for the NHS, for any emergency treatment, to treat the patient. Whether any recharge could be levied, on the flimsy basis that the private treatment caused the need for the emergency treatment, I suspect it would be a long and arduous court battle.

 

[Mottie]

The big money is in the easy non trickystuff.

It might be easy, non-tricky stuff but it’s nothing but pain, misery and suffering for those people who need treatment whether it be an ingrowing toenail, piles, hernia, hip operations etc. If they can get treated quicker, I’m all for outsourcing them.

 

[Vinty]

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It might be easy, non-tricky stuff but it’s nothing but pain, misery and suffering for those people who need treatment whether it be an ingrowing toenail, piles, hernia, hip operations etc. If they can get treated quicker, I’m all for outsourcing them.

Why? The state should have the capacity to deal with all these demands.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

I would be more than happy for the NHS to pay the private sector to take on the millions of 'non tricky stuff' and let the NHS crack on with the 'tricky stuff'.

And that will cost the taxpayer less?

 

[JohnD]

no, but it will increase the profits of the private companies

which is the objective.

 

[transam]

NHS needs to clamp down on some of the treatments it gets involved in

imho some things should not be available on the nhs and if people want it they should have to go private to get it

 

[Captain Nemesis]

imho some things should not be available on the nhs

Im sure of that.

And Im equally sure that most, if not all, relate to one or more of your bigotries.

 

[transam]

Im sure of that.

And Im equally sure that most, if not all, relate to one or more of your bigotries.

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[Brigade77]

The NHS isn't free. It never has been & it never will be. Don't let anybody tell you that it is.

Unless you can understand this basic principle, then you can never understand the reasons why a certain type of people are promoting that a 'paid for' health care system might be better.

It took a world war to make them realise that they need to care for our health. There will be another world war if they try to take it away from us.

 

[JohnD]

The NHS isn't free.

it is a universal insurance scheme.

It has the huge benefit that every person who pays, er, National Insurance, pays into it, and is entitled to benefit when necessary, so it does not need to exclude people with existing ailments, and it does not need to impose annual limits. You pay into it according to your means, and you receive benefit according to your need. When a universal benefit stops being used by the rich (who coincidentally direct government policy), the quality drops, because the people who make the rules don't use it. For example, education.

Paying in according to your means, has the effect that high-paid people contribute more than the poor. As usual, many rich people dislike that.

In a well-known country with a terrible health business, it is quite possible even for wealthy people with good insurance to use up all their cover, even if they are Superman, and there are people willing to accept that if you can't afford treatment or insurance, then it is only fair that you should die.

I have only been in one developed nation where I went into a sports equipment shop, and there was a jar on the counter asking people to donate their change to contribute to one of the assistants having his busted knee treated. he was hobbling round the shop on a crutch.