it's been confirmed that divorce proceedings would begin immediately if the vote is to leave.
Furthermore, if the proceedings drag on for more than 2 years, some advantages of being in would be curtailed immediately.
The EU budget and our contribution.
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Furthermore, if the proceedings drag on for more than 2 years, some advantages of being in would be curtailed immediately.
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Do you want to set out your vision of the future for UK outside of the EU. .... I don't mean vague references to "sovereignty, control over borders, etc. I mean real specific issues like how we'll cooperate with EU on sanctions to rogues states, how we'll replace our current trade with EU, how we'll manage when Scotland and Wales have separated from UK, how the expats in EU will be treated, what will happen to all the EU nationals currently in UK, What will happen to all the current EU legislation in UK, how will we cope with land borders between Eire, Scotland and Wales, how will OCTs be affected, how will currency exchanges be conducted, how will financial processes be managed, how will the mass replacement of passports be processed, etc, etc.
Real specific issues, not wishy-washy fancies.
I'll have to look into the details, but shouldn't be a problem if that's the case, as I've only been out about 2 years, and I know I was still registered at my old address in England even though I hadn't sent the forms back for several years running. I assume registration for overseas voters is done in whatever area they last resided.
As I said earlier, I wouldn't delude myself into thinking that all of the money saved would be put to good use: Government of any type has a way of squandering it and paying for its own extravagances, but nevertheless that's hardly a argument for continuing to throw it into the EU to be squandered. At least if it stays in the U.K. there's a better chance that some of it might end up doing some good. Even if a large proportion ends up paying for M.P.'s homes to be renovated, at least that's money which might end up going to local tradesmen!
That depends how badly they want the City of London to continue to provide such services, surely? And even if British banking does have to follow some EU-stipulated rules with regard to financial transactions if it wants the business, that's still better than being forced to follow every order emanating from Brussels, isn't it?
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I'd start there but you might be referred to a central office/register.
Quick
Do we not have a trade deficit with them?
If we agree with them, we will.
If they want to sell to us and us to buy from them, it may not alter.
Do we not have a trade deficit with them?
England will save a lot more money.
Same as Europeans here?
Same as expats over there?
We can keep it or change it.
However we want.
Not sure. Don't see a problem.
Same as with the dollar.
Same as now.
Couple of days saved contributions should cover that.
Wales have never sought independence, only devolution. We are quite grown up to admit we could not afford to manage on our own. Please do not use us in your scaremongering and wishy-washy assumption.
No, it the City that is desperate to carry on making its vast profits by handling overseas trade (more than the whole UK manufacturing industry) so will have to obey EU rules. Rules made without UK influence.
You're going to vote based on a lot of if's, but's and might be's.
Same comment applies.
Additionally, EU might decide it doesn't want London to have all the business and sets up valid alternative centres.
London is currently ranked 1st in the world, but Zurich isn't far behind at 7th. Frankfurt at 14th, Luxembourg at 19th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Financial_Centres_Index
Alternatively EU could be free to apply financial transaction tax and London would either be obliged to comply or lose the business.
Currently UK is resisting the tax, from within EU.
Sorry, John, you beat me to it, Snap!
But Wales is very definitely pro-EU. if Scotland gained independence and membership of EU, I bet Wales would start seriously considering it.
Good job you prefaced your comment with that.
Which are important issues, however.....
How about the same way in which various nations already come to agreements about such sanctions, either by direct talks with each other or via the United Nations, NATO, etc?
As we've already debated at length, it will not all need replacing, since the U.K. would continue to trade with EU nations. The country could work to increase trade with non-EU countries in exactly the same way that it did before being in the EEC/EC/EU.
Isn't that a somewhat different issue? Even so, it has happened before when the Irish Free State was formed.
The only fair thing to do there is to agree that those who are already resident (whichever way around) will remain as legal residents.
I would hope that within a short time much of it would be repealed.
Presumably EU withdrawal would take place before Scotland might get around to voting for independence, so as it would still be part of the U.K. nothing would change there. Wales ditto, if it even considered independence.
As for the Republic of Ireland, there have been open borders between it and the U.K. since long before either joined the EEC in 1973, so would anything need to change?
Perhaps the citizens of those might end up being treated better by H. M. Government.
As the pound Sterling isn't used as official currency anywhere else in the EU, why not exactly the same as at present? I don't see why anything would need to change at all.
What financial processes, specifically?
Would they bother with a mass replacement? They could simply reintroduce a U.K. passport and start issuing it as existing EU passports expire. Or perhaps offer immediate replacement for those who would like to be rid of their EU passports as soon as possible. Ditto for driving licenses and being rid of the EU emblem on them.
No we won't because we are too small and all politicians (of all colours) have agreed on it. The Labour led Welsh Assembly are pro-EU, but the general election saw UKIP make significant percentage gains. If UKIP supporters vote likewise in June and add the anti-EU elements of the other parties, the final figure may surprise.
Maybe, but vague concepts.
Will our voice carry the same kind of weight? Will EU's voice be reduced. United we are so much stronger.
That was 50 years ago. the world has changed substantially.
But we'll have a land border with EU that will need to be controlled.
So they'd all need visas and processing, here and in EU.
H of P will be busy, and at what cost? Oh yes that's where the EU contributions will go.
But it can be easily predicted that Scotland will go, it's just a matter of when. Then, if/ when they seem to be better off, Wales and NI will seriously consider joining them. Fair do's, that's a 'if' and is subject to the same scrutiny as your if's, but's and maybe's.
But now it'll be a border with EU.
They currently fare much better being in EU. They'll suffer out of it.
Until the transaction tax is applied.
Far too many to list.
Again, at what cost? Oh yes those EU savings.
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