The Fantastic Mr Fox

[noseall]

Unless you qualify what %, by default you must be referring to every person on benefits.

You have a choice:

1. Ihavenojob thinks all people on benefits are scroungers

2. Ihavenojob thinks a tiny % on benefits are scroungers

If you cant answer, then its safe to assume your answer is No 1

Is that explained in simple enough terms for you?
I am happy to simplify it further if you are struggling.

Agree. Hate certainly gives the impression he hates those on benefits.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Agree. Hate certainly gives the impression he hates those on benefits.

OK, if you agree with notch the LIAR, help him out, and post where I said ALL people on benefits are scroungers.

 

[SirGalahad]

His handle - Ihavenojob is clear reference to people who are not working. Now the ironic part is that unemployment benefit is 1% of total welfare spent and pensions account for 42%.

Typical RWR who can be distracted to focus on the unempoyed whilst the tax evaders and corporates get a free pass. RWR like hatejob are the useful idiots for the rich.

RWR through the DM and FB groups are riled up and their anger then is directed at anyone other than the rich and corporates.

 

[Ihavenojob]

His handle - Ihavenojob is clear reference to people who are not working.

No, it means that I have no job. I had a job, and hated it eventually, hence I used to be I hate my job . I took the decision not to work. I could if I wanted, but why take a job from someone who needs it. I claim no benefits, using my own money to get by, waiting patiently to someday claiming a benefit-my pension, but the way they keep putting the date back, I will have to be very patient.

 

[SirGalahad]

No, it means that I have no job. I had a job, and hated it eventually, hence I used to be I hate my job . I took the decision not to work. I could if I wanted, but why take a job from someone who needs it. I claim no benefits, using my own money to get by, waiting patiently to someday claiming a benefit-my pension, but the way they keep putting the date back, I will have to be very patient.

So you are not seeking work because you do not need to work as your house is paid off and you have enough to live on until you expect to claim your state pension. I assume you also have a private pension or that your wife is the breadwinner.

 

[Ihavenojob]

So you are not seeking work because you do not need to work as your house is paid off and you have enough to live on until you expect to claim your state pension.

Spot on, sorted my priorities, and also a HUGE slice of luck in buying at the right time, though it was hard to begin with,worked seven days a week some times, 12 hour days not uncommon to afford mortgage payments(double figure interest rates to begin with) didn't splash out on cars or holidays, just lived within my means. It can be done, I had no preferential treatment or silver spoon in my mouth, just did what I had to do. Whether I could do it if I was starting out today is a different matter.

 

[SirGalahad]

Spot on, sorted my priorities, and also a HUGE slice of luck in buying at the right time, though it was hard to begin with,worked seven days a week some times, 12 hour days not uncommon to afford mortgage payments(double figure interest rates to begin with) didn't splash out on cars or holidays, just lived within my means. It can be done, I had no preferential treatment or silver spoon in my mouth, just did what I had to do. Whether I could do it if I was starting out today is a different matter.

Well done for being financially independent. However I do not get where you feel todays kids are lazy? The only kids I know either as relatives or via friends work their socks off to get into the top Unis and into high paying professional jobs. I can say they worked way harder now when there is more competition and rents are higher as well as paying for Uni fees.

The biggest obstacle for todays youth or people under 40 is getting onto the property ladder. Once your house is paid off, it really is plain sailing.

 

[Ihavenojob]

However I do not get where you feel todays kids are lazy?

I do not think they are all lazy, some work incredibly hard and for next to nothing sometimes. Some see all these lifestyle videos and think they can get it all with no effort. I keep seeing adverts for a TV show starring some kid called Rueben (?) who does make up, he must have some balls, but he's made something of his life, and there are probably hundreds like him, but in reality, there are probably 10 kids who can't be arsed for every Rueben.

 

[SirGalahad]

I do not think they are all lazy, some work incredibly hard and for next to nothing sometimes. Some see all these lifestyle videos and think they can get it all with no effort. I keep seeing adverts for a TV show starring some kid called Rueben (?) who does make up, he must have some balls, but he's made something of his life, and there are probably hundreds like him, but in reality, there are probably 10 kids who can't be arsed for every Rueben.

I agree the influence of social media like fb and instagram has created unattainable ideals for many who feel they need to emulate those they follow but we all know only a few will ever make it. Social media in all its forms is bad, I cannot see its benefits, these young impressionable people need stronge role models around them like their parents, family friends. I am grateful for my upbringing so for me it was to compete to become a professional like all my close friends and family. Perhaps I was lucky in that there was no social media for me when I was growing up - before my time.

We need more social mobility and stronger role models for kids, not instagtram models and lifestyle gurus.

 

[Brigadier]

I agree the influence of social media like fb and instagram has created unattainable ideals for many who feel they need to emulate those they follow but we all know only a few will ever make it. Social media in all its forms is bad, I cannot see its benefits, these young impressionable people need stronge role models around them like their parents, family friends. I am grateful for my upbringing so for me it was to compete to become a professional like all my close friends and family. Perhaps I was lucky in that there was no social media for me when I was growing up - before my time.

We need more social mobility and stronger role models for kids, not instagtram models and lifestyle gurus.

I've been tweeting about this very thing for years #socialmediaisforlosers

 

[transam]

Agree. Hate certainly gives the impression he hates those on benefits.

impressions can be deceiving Noseall

never jump to conclusions

and try and conduct yer self like a decent human being for ounce

Instead of coming across as a big ladys willy

 

[ellal]

Spot on, sorted my priorities, and also a HUGE slice of luck in buying at the right time, though it was hard to begin with,worked seven days a week some times, 12 hour days not uncommon to afford mortgage payments(double figure interest rates to begin with) didn't splash out on cars or holidays, just lived within my means. It can be done, I had no preferential treatment or silver spoon in my mouth, just did what I had to do. Whether I could do it if I was starting out today is a different matter.

Similar circumstances, but then I guess anyone who got onto the property ladder before the tory party housing policies really kicked in should be able to say the same.
Although I choose to work because of the key bit of your comment - 'a HUGE slice of luck in buying at the right time'.

The younger generations don't have that luck, and on top of that most who go to university are saddled with huge tuition fee debts whereas previous ones had grants.
So I work because a large chunk of it goes to get our kids simply to where I was at their ages.
They still work/study hard, but they are amongst the lucky few in this country. They will still be able to live and work in 30 other countries with no restriction.
And two of them will graduate with no debts due to being able to do what the majority of the young in the UK won't be able to do after the end of the year.
Namely take advantage of free/much cheaper education in those 30 countries.

Although hard work was required and indeed interest rates were at times high, the ratio between house prices and earning power has never been higher than now.
And decent paying jobs are harder to come by, so a larger proportion are forced to claim in work benefits.
Put all that together and with crippling rental rates on even the most basic hovel, we are heading to a modern day form of serfdom.
And all the problems that will come with that!

But talking of benefits and given the period you hint at, did you ever claim the MIRAS benefit?

 

[Ihavenojob]

did you ever claim the MIRAS benefit?

Only for a couple of years, Brown abolished it fairly soon after.

 

[JohnD]

That's a "Yes" then.

 

[ellal]

Only for a couple of years, Brown abolished it fairly soon after.

But you did nevertheless take a 'benefit' that helped you get you to where you are now...

Most people get different 'benefits' at different times of their lives...

So would you describe yourself as a 'benefit scrounger', or someone claiming something you were entitled to?