The Johnson deal....its not quite what it seems

[Notch7]

Interestingly:

In a no deal scenario, a hard border would be needed in Ireland.
The USA has already said that is unacceptable and would not agree a FTA.

The new deal:

Article 184 of the withdrawal act still commits both sides to “use their best endeavours, in good faith” to deliver the intentions of the Political Declaration.

Clause 77 of the political declaration is the 'level playing field'
commitment to "open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field." But it goes even further: “Given the Union and the United Kingdom's geographic proximity and economic interdependence, the future relationship must ensure open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field.” In scope are matters such as state aid, competition, social and employment standards, environment and climate change, and tax

In short, the if the UK wants a decent EU FTA, it cant diverge much from its exiting tariffs, standards and taxes. Which effectively rules out 'Singapore light'. Unless a UK PM thinks the UK economy can cope with losing £280b of EU trade in exchange for unknown FTA elsewhere.

labour rights and environmental regulations arent set in law and that will make it hard for Labour floating MPs to support

 

[Brigade77]

I voted out but from day one I have been more than aware that whatever the outcome the British public are in for a right royal shafting.

 

[fillyboy]

Article 184 of the withdrawal act still commits both sides to “use their best endeavours, in good faith” to deliver the intentions of the Political Declaration.

Clause 77 of the political declaration is the 'level playing field'
commitment to "open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field." But it goes even further: “Given the Union and the United Kingdom's geographic proximity and economic interdependence, the future relationship must ensure open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field.” In scope are matters such as state aid, competition, social and employment standards, environment and climate change, and tax

Firstly the political declaration is, as remainers delight in saying when it suits them, not legally binding, it's a 'target', an 'aspiration'.
Theresa May's 'withdrawal agreement' had a legally binding clause re 'level playing fields and competition', this has been removed by Boris in his 'withdrawal agreement', the political declaration may still (at this point in time) state stuff about level playing fields but, really?
It's a bit more leverage for when we're out and the real negotiations begin, if we need it.

 

[fillyboy]

I voted out but from day one I have been more than aware that whatever the outcome the British public are in for a right royal shafting.

That's a coincidence, Notch voted out as well but, praise the lord, he saw the light.

 

[Notch7]

arithmetic is fluid but currently thinking is the deal will go through with 1 majority

magic number is 320

 

[SirGalahad]

I voted out but from day one I have been more than aware that whatever the outcome the British public are in for a right royal shafting.

So you wanted to shaft the public. Well I suppose you are honest about that.

 

[ellal]

I voted out but from day one I have been more than aware that whatever the outcome the British public are in for a right royal shafting.

So just out of interest, how would you vote now?

 

[festive]

I have to say i still feel slightly uneasy about the deal for these reasons.

A) The Benn act forcing Boris to do or die a deal by 31st
B) Juncker looking way too pleased
C) Juncker suggesting all a sudden there is little point of extending which i feel is a bargained request from Boris letting go of something on the table, just to unsettle the remainers and Labour(who have no fking clue what they are)

I dont believe a fking word the EU say as has been proven and how i predicted a long time back a miraculous deal would be struck just in time. (happy to show historical post)

So i feel im right in most of my predictions no bragging or denigrating of other peoples thoughts in the process of doing so.

I still feel leave is right, too many drama queens floating about still. Including plenty of rude naive armchair experts on here.

 

[noseall]

I have to say i still feel slightly uneasy about the deal for these reasons.

What exactly do you want?

 

[Brigade77]

So just out of interest, how would you vote now?

I honestly don't know. I'm almost totally immune to propaganda, spin & bullshit, but I honestly believe that the level of lies we are hearing from our politicians which is propagated by our meedya is at the highest level it has ever been outside of a war.

I'd love to see a genuine protest movement in the UK, like 'Mouvement des gilets jaunes' or our very own 'arab spring', but they know just how far they can push us before we bite back.

I voted for change, I hoped that change would be for the better but it won't be will it.

 

[noseall]

I voted for change,

What specifically didn't you like or wanted differently?

 

[SirGalahad]

The change we will get is like the US - workers rights in the bin, healthcare that will make you go bankrupt, education so poor you might as well homeschool etc.

I was always for a balance between enterprise and capitalism backed by a strong state not full of lobbyists. Companies large or small should have as fair competition as possible with focus on lowering entry and exit costs rather than on nominal rates of tax. Encouraging companies to take risks and reap the rewards rather than just curry favour to get nice public service contracts.

Some Industries simply do not work well in the private sector - such as health and education but their benefits are captured by the economy later.

 

[transam]

blimey sounds like armageddon

Don't forget the environment

BSE

Bird flu

Ebola

Terrorist attacks

Knife crime

 

[Notch7]

I dont believe a fking word the EU say as has been proven and how i predicted a long time back a miraculous deal would be struck just in tim

TBF the EU are understandably fed up with Brexit, they dont want UK domestic party politics spilling over and they really want to get on with other stuff.

A) The Benn act forcing Boris to do or die a deal by 31st
B) Juncker looking way too pleased
C) Juncker suggesting all a sudden there is little point of extending which i feel is a bargained request from Boris letting go of something on the table, just to unsettle the remainers and Labour(who have no fking clue what they are

A =true, Boris does desperately want a deal, it gives him a GE boost and kill off Brexit party votes
B =I dont think there is anything hidden in that, he just wants a deal done
C= Juncker suggesting no extension is mere noise to help MPs vote for the deal. EU would allow extension.
C = Labour have been hopeless on Brexit for 3 years

I still feel leave is right, too many drama queens floating about still. Including plenty of rude naive armchair experts on here.

It wont surprise to hear I think Brexit is wrong
Actually its not Brexit per se, its the fact the campaign has been run entirely with a hidden agenda so there has been zero interest in an honest debate about the good and bad of the EU and the good and bad of the destination after Brexit.
Neither has been discussed.

 

[fillyboy]

Actually its not Brexit per se, its the fact the campaign has been run entirely with a hidden agenda so there has been zero interest in an honest debate about the good and bad of the EU and the good and bad of the destination after Brexit.
Neither has been discussed.

I assume you're referring to both campaigns, leave and remain, and equally, admitting your own guilt as far as misdirection and hidden agendas on behalf of remain are concerned.