The magna carta, Democracy, Brexit and Parliament.

[Ihavenojob]

There was not a general agreement. About half of them voted for one thing, and about half for the opposite.

Yes, but the MAJORITY (although small) voted leave.
noun, plural con·sen·sus·es.
majority of opinion:

 

[Notch7]

I don't really understand this, maybe someone will enlighten me. So our politicians have voted against a no deal (wise) I know it's not binding. PH has said leaving on the 29th is "impossible". Surely all the EU have to do now is say no to any extension of A50 and it is game, set and match. No brexit?

TM has delayed the 3rd meaningful vote until the day before the EU summit.

She has done that to blackmail MPs into voting for her deal, on the basis there will be almost no time for the EU 27 to reach a decision and if they dont, she can blame them.

She is saying to leavers: vote tor my deal or there will be no Brexit
She is saying to remainers: vote for my deal or we will leave without a deal.

Oh and she is in the process of bribing the DUP again.

There is also talk that she will agree to standing down immediately if MPs vote for her deal.

It is appalling she has been allowed to manipulate parliament to this extent. What a shame she won the vote that would taken away her executive power

 

[jasonzyx]

I don't really understand this, maybe someone will enlighten me. So our politicians have voted against a no deal (wise) I know it's not binding. PH has said leaving on the 29th is "impossible". Surely all the EU have to do now is say no to any extension of A50 and it is game, set and match. No brexit?

It is rather quite simple, but only if you refuse to accept the Brexiteers suggestion that the EU are trying to punish the UK for leaving. Then everything falls in to place.
The EU respect the decision of the UK to leave. They also recognise the economic damage that will be inflicted of a No Deal Brexit, on them as well as UK, (perhaps the repercussions will be felt around the world economy) so they prefer an orderly withdrawal.

I doubt if I need to continue with an explanation any further.

 

[durhamplumber]

It is rather quite simple, but only if you refuse to accept the Brexiteers suggestion that the EU are trying to punish the UK for leavin

Lol...ok...

 

[jasonzyx]

If the extension was not agreed at the forthcoming summit. It would be because an individual country (or more than one) had not agreed to an extension.
That would not be the EU not agreeing, just one country not agreeing.

But that does illustrate how the brexiteers are unable to distinguish between another EU member, and the EU as a whole.

 

[SammyInnit]

If the extension was not agreed at the forthcoming summit. It would be because an individual country (or more than one) had not agreed to an extension.
That would not be the EU not agreeing, just one country not agreeing.

But that does illustrate how the brexiteers are unable to distinguish between another EU member, and the EU as a whole.

Imagine the day Juncker and Tusk come out and say we're were all for it but Spain said unless you give up Gibraltar we can't do it.

No, I can't either.

 

[jasonzyx]

Imagine the day Juncker and Tusk come out and say we're were all for it but Spain said unless you give up Gibraltar we can't do it.

No, I can't either.

Because Junker and Tusk see the benefits of an orderly withdrawal, I suspect there will be pressure on Spain, from the EU collectively and the other countries, to agree, should that scenario arise.
The possibility of a No Deal exit would otherwise be seriously increased, which the other countries, and the EU collectively would want to avoid.
So your 'imaginings' could be described as delusional fantasy.

 

[SammyInnit]

So your 'imaginings' could be described as delusional fantasy.

...only that they're not.

https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-uk-brexit-gibraltar-colony-eu-line-boosts-spain/

Spanish diplomats say it’s the first time the EU has endorsed in a written text Madrid’s three-centuries-old claim over the sovereignty of the Rock, as well as proof that the EU will be on Spain’s side in the dispute.

 

[JohnD]

When countries join the EU, they have to agree to give up territorial disputes with other members.

Membership of the EU has been a great help in normalizing relations with Spain and Ireland.

The UK has decided to resign from the EU and give up the benefits of membership.

Hasn't it, Sammy.

 

[SammyInnit]

When countries join the EU, they have to agree to give up territorial disputes with other members.

Membership of the EU has been a great help in normalizing relations with Spain and Ireland.

The UK has decided to resign from the EU and give up the benefits of membership.

Hasn't it, Sammy.

You've gotten it backwards. It's Spain making the claim. You'll find it's already a B.O.T of which it's been long before we (or Spain) were part of the EU and what 99% of its citizens refuse to share with Spain.

 

[JohnD]

The UK was a member of the EU before Spain, and had a veto. The EU protected the interests of its member (UK) against the non-member (Spain.)
The UK has now decided to resign from the EU and give up the benefits of membership.

Spain is an EU member, and has a voice, a vote and a veto, and the support of the EU in protecting its interests.

UK has decided to throw all that away.

Isn't that right, Sammy.

You weren't expecting the UK to retain the benefits of membership after resigning.

Were you, Sammy.

 

[SammyInnit]

What you're talking about is completely irrelevant. BOTs remain as such if we leave. If Spain want to carry on a row that's up to them

 

[JohnD]

Show me where Spain, and the EU, are obliged go share the opinion of another country.

Russia says that Crimea is part of Russia. Others disagree.

If the UK wants to negotiate with the EU, it will have to take account of the EU's position.

As we already established, the EU will protect the interests of its members. The UK has decided to resign and to give up the benefits of membership.






Some would say, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, has feathers and paddles around a pond, it's a colony.

 

[SammyInnit]

Again, if Spain want to argue they can. In terms of us leaving the EU, irrelevant.

 

[JohnD]

But as you know, Spain and the EU are not obliged to agree.

The UK has decided to give up its voice and its vote in the EU.

Hasn't it, Sammy.