The second one is basically a tabby. Not that tabbies aren't given to having white patches of course, it's just that this one doesn't have any. Not even one.
It's a fairly large cat with a voracious appetite, with a guard coat of sparse long hair, which has always made me wonder about its pedigree. I'm thinking of asking the Norwegian Forest Cat society if they hold any title deeds, but they charge £30 for releasing any documentation, and (that's enough nonsense about deeds, Ed.).