Tony Blair.

[noseall]

Hey, look at Joeys' profile pic, it says that he goes for Denier. Any particular type of stockings or tights?

 

[Belboz]

Hey, look at Joeys' profile pic, it says that he goes for Denier. Any particular type of stockings or tights?

Maybe it's because he acts in sheer disbelief...

 

[vinty]

Unfortunately for the Smithsonian, Colls and Schute, the “Star of David” to which they refer is nothing of the sort.

Firstly, the symbol—a six pointed solid star, with a dot in its center, surrounded by a circle, and with a clear “D” letter to its right, is imprinted on the back of the tile—which means that wherever it would have been placed, the symbol would have been cemented onto the floor, and would not have been visible.

This makes Colls’s claim that the symbol was there to “make people think they were going somewhere safe” complete nonsense.

The terracotta tile excavated by Ivar Schute at the Treblinka camp, and wrongly identified by him, Colls and the Smithsonian as a “Star of David.” The symbol is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year-old old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland.
Furthermore, no “eye-witness” has ever claimed that there were Stars of David “inside a gas chamber” at Treblinka—only that there was a large Star of David over the “front door” of the gas chamber.

But, even worse for Colls, Schute, and the Smithsonian, the symbol which they all claim to be a “Star of David” is nothing of the sort.

It is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland. That factory still exists, although it was renamed the Opoczno Terracotta Products Factory in 1950 and is today just called Opoczno S.A.

The company’s symbol is known in the heraldic world as a pierced mullet star, as is not unusual for porcelain marks and coats of arms around Europe.


http://newobserveronline.com/smiths...of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/

Please explain how any of this disproves anything. The tiles were used in at least one of the gas chambers:
"As explained by forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls, the new evidence was important because the second gas chambers built at Treblinka were housed in the only brick building in the camp; this provides the first physical evidence for their existence. In his memoir describing his stay in the camp, survivor Jankiel Wiernik says that the floor in the gas chambers (which he helped build) was made of similar tiles.[216]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp
The findings are close to what appears according to eyewitnesses.

http://www.zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm

If you believe Wiernik then do you also believe his claim that the Germans piled 2000 to 3000 corpses up to 30 feet high on steel rails and cremated the lot using a few twigs and tree branches as fuel.

 

[vinty]

The contemporary records still can't be answered. Even if every eye witness account is wrong and all the photographs and film reels that we can all see with out very own eyes are doctored and wrong it still doesn't remove the fact that contemporary records show that millions of people were killed and disposed of by various means. It matters not if half of them died of starvation, overwork, typhus or other diseases, they were taken against their will, locked up in dreadful conditions and died as a result. Others were shot, beaten to death or murdered in half a dozen other ways. The people who wrote those records and reports had no reason to make anything up and they were not influenced by history. It is just unwitting testimony of the events and situation of the day. In fact, there's no point waiting for an answer to this because it's obvious to anybody with half a brain that there isn't an answer to give.

At the end of the war 22 camps in Germany and Poland were claimed to be extermination camps, the evidence(eye witness accounts and alleged gas chambers) for extermination in the camps in Germany was qualitatively no different from the evidence for extermination in the camps in Poland, today only the camps in Poland are considered to be death camps, why do you think that is?

 

[empip]

In the event of a GrexitWatch out for the Krauts, they should all be gardeners and farm labourers throughout Euro disney nowadays.
They owe us all, big time.
Remember, Germans before they were Nazis.

In the event of a Grexit, should Greece shmooze with Russia, USA will instruct Euroland what it must do...

-0-

 

[wobs]

Unfortunately for the Smithsonian, Colls and Schute, the “Star of David” to which they refer is nothing of the sort.

Firstly, the symbol—a six pointed solid star, with a dot in its center, surrounded by a circle, and with a clear “D” letter to its right, is imprinted on the back of the tile—which means that wherever it would have been placed, the symbol would have been cemented onto the floor, and would not have been visible.

This makes Colls’s claim that the symbol was there to “make people think they were going somewhere safe” complete nonsense.

The terracotta tile excavated by Ivar Schute at the Treblinka camp, and wrongly identified by him, Colls and the Smithsonian as a “Star of David.” The symbol is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year-old old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland.
Furthermore, no “eye-witness” has ever claimed that there were Stars of David “inside a gas chamber” at Treblinka—only that there was a large Star of David over the “front door” of the gas chamber.

But, even worse for Colls, Schute, and the Smithsonian, the symbol which they all claim to be a “Star of David” is nothing of the sort.

It is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland. That factory still exists, although it was renamed the Opoczno Terracotta Products Factory in 1950 and is today just called Opoczno S.A.

The company’s symbol is known in the heraldic world as a pierced mullet star, as is not unusual for porcelain marks and coats of arms around Europe.


http://newobserveronline.com/smiths...of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/

Please explain how any of this disproves anything. The tiles were used in at least one of the gas chambers:
"As explained by forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls, the new evidence was important because the second gas chambers built at Treblinka were housed in the only brick building in the camp; this provides the first physical evidence for their existence. In his memoir describing his stay in the camp, survivor Jankiel Wiernik says that the floor in the gas chambers (which he helped build) was made of similar tiles.[216]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp
The findings are close to what appears according to eyewitnesses.

http://www.zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm

If you believe Wiernik then do you also believe his claim that the Germans piled 2000 to 3000 corpses up to 30 feet high on steel rails and cremated the lot using a few twigs and tree branches as fuel.

Why would I believe something he didn't say?

 

[wobs]

The contemporary records still can't be answered. Even if every eye witness account is wrong and all the photographs and film reels that we can all see with out very own eyes are doctored and wrong it still doesn't remove the fact that contemporary records show that millions of people were killed and disposed of by various means. It matters not if half of them died of starvation, overwork, typhus or other diseases, they were taken against their will, locked up in dreadful conditions and died as a result. Others were shot, beaten to death or murdered in half a dozen other ways. The people who wrote those records and reports had no reason to make anything up and they were not influenced by history. It is just unwitting testimony of the events and situation of the day. In fact, there's no point waiting for an answer to this because it's obvious to anybody with half a brain that there isn't an answer to give.

At the end of the war 22 camps in Germany and Poland were claimed to be extermination camps, the evidence(eye witness accounts and alleged gas chambers) for extermination in the camps in Germany was qualitatively no different from the evidence for extermination in the camps in Poland, today only the camps in Poland are considered to be death camps, why do you think that is?

Because of evidence.
You're welcome.

 

[vinty]

Spontaneous human combustion only happens when someone dies in front of the fire and the water is evaporated over several days.

No, wrong. Evaporation takes place due to the burning itself not the external source. Read up on it - quite interesting. But not on conspiracy sites written by nut jobs. Try some sites that report tested theories rather than dreamed up ones.

Oh, and just in case somebody comes in at this stage and thinks we're talking about spontaneous human combustion - we're not. We're talking about bodies that burn to practically nothing on their own leaving just a pile of ash - and usually feet and hands. People used to think this was some sort of spontaneous combustion but is in fact just ordinary slow burning.

the claim that SHC is caused by the wick effect is an unproven theory along with all the other theories regarding SHC such as ball lightning, to much alcohol, and cosmic rays.
The human body does not contain enough fuel to evaporate its water content , that is why it requires up to 500lbs of wood and six hours burning time to cremate one human body.
Another characteristic of the wick effect causing SHC is the fact that only seems to occur when there is no one around to witness it.
No doubt you will quote the DeHaan "burning pig" experiment as evidence of the wick effect, it is strange that he has never been able to repeat it and neither has any one else,
The National Geographic special on SHC tried to replicate his DeHaans experiment unsurprisingly it failed, mankind has been burning animals and humans for 1000's of years yet no one has observed this phenomenon in action which is a bit strange.

 

[vinty]

The contemporary records still can't be answered. Even if every eye witness account is wrong and all the photographs and film reels that we can all see with out very own eyes are doctored and wrong it still doesn't remove the fact that contemporary records show that millions of people were killed and disposed of by various means. It matters not if half of them died of starvation, overwork, typhus or other diseases, they were taken against their will, locked up in dreadful conditions and died as a result. Others were shot, beaten to death or murdered in half a dozen other ways. The people who wrote those records and reports had no reason to make anything up and they were not influenced by history. It is just unwitting testimony of the events and situation of the day. In fact, there's no point waiting for an answer to this because it's obvious to anybody with half a brain that there isn't an answer to give.

At the end of the war 22 camps in Germany and Poland were claimed to be extermination camps, the evidence(eye witness accounts and alleged gas chambers) for extermination in the camps in Germany was qualitatively no different from the evidence for extermination in the camps in Poland, today only the camps in Poland are considered to be death camps, why do you think that is?

Because of evidence.
You're welcome.

True, or could it also be because the only camps which were never subjected to investigation by an independent and impartial body are surprise!surprise! the Polish camps which were under Russian control.

 

[vinty]

It must have been magic. Israel was populated by magic. If they didn't migrate by normal means then I guess it must have been magic. If it wasn't by magic - then what do you suppose it must have been? I'd say normal means, wouldn't you?

The Jews made their way to Israel over a number of years after the war. There was no mass exodus. The Jews were supposedly gassed long after 41/42. They claim that Treblinka was a death camp where 900,000 were gassed, but the trouble with that theory is that the Nazis forgot to build any crematoria for body disposal. So where did all those bodies go?

Cremation in open air resulting in plenty of ash to dispose of:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/Treblinka/appendixd/index.shtml
And of course, resulting in lots of archeology, since found in a study.
And backed by a written evidence, and eye witness accounts, and historians..... and basically, everyone else.

The Photogragh you show here is misleading, the picture of the excavator is not from the Treblinka transit/death camp, it is from the Treblinka labour camp, they were two Treblinkas one was the Transit camp the other was a labour camp which supplied gravel for road building, the excavators where used for digging gravel pits, this is a common fraud used byholocaust sites.

 

[vinty]

Unfortunately for the Smithsonian, Colls and Schute, the “Star of David” to which they refer is nothing of the sort.

Firstly, the symbol—a six pointed solid star, with a dot in its center, surrounded by a circle, and with a clear “D” letter to its right, is imprinted on the back of the tile—which means that wherever it would have been placed, the symbol would have been cemented onto the floor, and would not have been visible.

This makes Colls’s claim that the symbol was there to “make people think they were going somewhere safe” complete nonsense.

The terracotta tile excavated by Ivar Schute at the Treblinka camp, and wrongly identified by him, Colls and the Smithsonian as a “Star of David.” The symbol is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year-old old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland.
Furthermore, no “eye-witness” has ever claimed that there were Stars of David “inside a gas chamber” at Treblinka—only that there was a large Star of David over the “front door” of the gas chamber.

But, even worse for Colls, Schute, and the Smithsonian, the symbol which they all claim to be a “Star of David” is nothing of the sort.

It is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland. That factory still exists, although it was renamed the Opoczno Terracotta Products Factory in 1950 and is today just called Opoczno S.A.

The company’s symbol is known in the heraldic world as a pierced mullet star, as is not unusual for porcelain marks and coats of arms around Europe.


http://newobserveronline.com/smiths...of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/

Please explain how any of this disproves anything. The tiles were used in at least one of the gas chambers:
"As explained by forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls, the new evidence was important because the second gas chambers built at Treblinka were housed in the only brick building in the camp; this provides the first physical evidence for their existence. In his memoir describing his stay in the camp, survivor Jankiel Wiernik says that the floor in the gas chambers (which he helped build) was made of similar tiles.[216]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp
The findings are close to what appears according to eyewitnesses.

http://www.zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm

If you believe Wiernik then do you also believe his claim that the Germans piled 2000 to 3000 corpses up to 30 feet high on steel rails and cremated the lot using a few twigs and tree branches as fuel.

Why would I believe something he didn't say?

He said it in his book.

 

[mikeey84]

Spontaneous human combustion only happens when someone dies in front of the fire and the water is evaporated over several days.

No, wrong. Evaporation takes place due to the burning itself not the external source. Read up on it - quite interesting. But not on conspiracy sites written by nut jobs. Try some sites that report tested theories rather than dreamed up ones.

Oh, and just in case somebody comes in at this stage and thinks we're talking about spontaneous human combustion - we're not. We're talking about bodies that burn to practically nothing on their own leaving just a pile of ash - and usually feet and hands. People used to think this was some sort of spontaneous combustion but is in fact just ordinary slow burning.

the claim that SHC is caused by the wick effect is an unproven theory along with all the other theories regarding SHC such as ball lightning, to much alcohol, and cosmic rays.
The human body does not contain enough fuel to evaporate its water content , that is why it requires up to 500lbs of wood and six hours burning time to cremate one human body.
Another characteristic of the wick effect causing SHC is the fact that only seems to occur when there is no one around to witness it.
No doubt you will quote the DeHaan "burning pig" experiment as evidence of the wick effect, it is strange that he has never been able to repeat it and neither has any one else,
The National Geographic special on SHC tried to replicate his DeHaans experiment unsurprisingly it failed, mankind has been burning animals and humans for 1000's of years yet no one has observed this phenomenon in action which is a bit strange.

16kg of fat contains enough energy to boil 80kg of water.

 

[joe-90]

So how much to totally evaporate it?

 

[mikeey84]

So how much to totally evaporate it?

Sorry, my error there, it takes 16kg of fat to take 80kg of water from 37 degrees to 100 degrees

 

[mikeey84]

Which means it will be all evaporated for the hard of thinking.