Tony Blair.

[joe-90]

Are there people in Israel? If there are - then they got there somehow didn't they? Isn't that obvious? Well either they made their way there by some means or they got there by magic. I'd guess the former was the most likely. The latter fails Occam's Razor. Do you agree with that John?

 

[joe-90]

Whilst we are on the subject of population.
Here are the figures for the Jewish population in the time period we are discussing. If you look at the figures you will see that no Jews have gone missing, so there are no 'millions' in transit.

" The Census of Jews Worldwide Figures:

Here are some census figures of Jews living Worldwide to consider:

World Almanac, 1925, pg. 752 — 15,630,000, “In 1925 a census of Palestine gave a total of 115,151 Jews”
World Almanac, 1929, pg. 727 — 15,630,000
National Council of Churches 1930 — 15,600 ,000
March 24, 1933, jewish newspaper Daily Express — 14,000,000 jews worldwide
World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 — 15,316,359, [“The estimate for Jews in the above table is for 1933, and is by the American Jewish Committee”
World Almanac, 1936, pg. 748 — world jewish population = 15,753,633
World Almanac, 1938, pg. 510 — world jewish population = 15,748,091, with 240,000 in Germany
American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council, 1939 — 15,600,000
World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population — 15,319,359
World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population — 15,748,091
World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849 — 15,192,089, “Jews include Jews by race not necessarily by religion”
World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population — 15,690,000
World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population — 15,713,638
Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 — 15,300,000
World Almanac, US News & World Report, 1983 population of jews — 16,820,850
World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population — 14,117,000
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: World Jewish Population –18,080,000
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: World Jewish Population — 13,200,000"

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Are these figures for real?

 

[mikeey84]

The University of Alberta library has the World Almanac issues for the pertinent period for 1941, 1944, 1947, 1948, and 1949. The figures listed for total world Jewish population are as follows:

1941 15,748,091
1944 15,192,089
1947 15,688,259
1948 15,688,259
1949 11,266,600
Now you may be wondering what happened to all those Jews in 1948-49. No fresh estimates were made between 1938 and 1947. The figures listed for 1941, 1947, and 1948 are identified as estimates made in 1938. The source for the estimate for 1944 is not given, and the numbers are listed differently than in other years. In 1944, the numbers are given as a part of a list of various world religions rather than standing on their own with a country-by-country breakdown as in the other years.
Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for various other population estimates given by the World Almanac.
The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491.
In 1949, however, the World Almanac givesa revised 1939 population of 16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520. Where the extra population between 1938 and 1939 came from is not cited, though one might speculate that it was based upon the Nazi estimates made in 1942 for the Wannsee Conference.
Despite the apparent exactness of the numbers listed, the World Almanac warns that all numbers listed are estimates.

TL/DR- the source of the numbers listed above by Joe-90 have been corrected by the SOURCE of the numbers.

However, I am sure the tin foil brigade will argue that these figures are wrong, even though they are from the same source as theirs!

 

[joe-90]

The Pro Holocaust brigade would say that wouldn't they? To admit the figures were right would mean the Holocaust never happened. Can you really see them saying that? The original figures were correct. The 'adjusted' figures have been 'got at'.

 

[mikeey84]

The Pro Holocaust brigade would say that wouldn't they? To admit the figures were right would mean the Holocaust never happened. Can you really see them saying that? The original figures were correct. The 'adjusted' figures have been 'got at'.

Despite the apparent exactness of the numbers listed, the World Almanac warns that all numbers listed are estimates.

Oh dear, you really are a plank. I suppose jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams either!

I do love how you keep quoting that the "internet" is responsible for your damacene moment of awakening when you read the "truth", because all of the information on the internet is correct

 

[joe-90]

When you can prove - or at least have a good guess at how 11,000,000 people can disappear without a trace I'll listen to what you have to say. If you cannot - you are just talking for the sake of talking. It's all to do with science - and you will have to prove science wrong to get your 'proof'. People don't burn.

 

[mikeey84]

and you will have to prove science wrong to get your 'proof'. People don't burn.

That isn't science. Its the misguided ramblings of a fool.

Assuming there is sufficient wick material, the body can sustain its own fire for around 7 hours.

This is from a scientist, following a scientific investigation. I don't even think they are Jewish, so your anti Semitic paranoia should be sated. This is just a body, it doesn't include any fuel.

I am sure, however that you will find some tin foil hat wearing nutter to argue against this point.

 

[joe-90]

Err - the body is 75% water. Water doesn't burn in this universe. That's why it takes around two hours to cremate a body in a modern sate-of-the-art crematorium. You don't just light the body at the toes and stand back. It's not a firelighter. That's science that is. Get over it.

 

[noseall]

When you can prove - or at least have a good guess at how 11,000,000 people can disappear without a trace

The Indians manage to get rid of that number every 18 months. That's true that is, get over it.

Piece of cake for the Nazis.

 

[joe-90]

In crematoria. So what? I bet someone sees them do it eh?

 

[noseall]

In crematoria. So what? I bet someone sees them do it eh?

Yeah just like the witnesses at the camps did too.

You said it can't be done. Well it can. Get over it.

 

[joe-90]

Show me the witness statements that saw 122 times the capacity of Wembley stadium gassed and cremated. You did watch the FA cup final? 122 times the FA cup final crowd - and no-one saw them go. Bizarre.

 

[noseall]

Show me the witness statements that saw 122 times the capacity of Wembley stadium gassed and cremated. You did watch the FA cup final? 122 times the FA cup final crowd - and no-one saw them go. Bizarre.

Not really the Indians do it every 18 months, many on outdoor funeral pyres.
Get over it.

 

[joe-90]

Guess what. If the Nazis had done that there would be thousands of pyres on the aerial reconnaissance photos - but there are none. It didn't happen - get over it. You are the one making the outlandish claims that 122 times the crowd at the FA cup final were cremated. I'm asking you to Prove it. If you can't then we'll have to assume it didn't happen won't we? Your giant conspiracy theory is falling apart because you have no proof. None whatsoever.