Tory party rebels to be kicked out

[Notch7]

I would think ..all of them.of course,except you .who would be gaggin to pay as much tax as possible...Oh...and Notchy,,who could never lie.

It is interesting you never get bored with using the appeal to extremes fallacy.

By debatibg dishonestly all the time, you just have hollow victories.

Why do you do it?
I mean its tiresome for us, Im surprised its not tiresome for yourself.

Up to you of course

 

[Vinty]

The idea of workers owning business equity works in countries like germany, but as an idea it has its merits but I doubt it will fly in the laissez faire economics of the UK. I would like to see the mechanism used to achieve it.

But these are actual ideas - whether you like them or not the proposals by the Tories are just more failed neo liberal economics.

To repeat we need Real Conservatives to stand up and put forward new ideas.

Would it not be better if the state owned shares in private companies instead of shareholders or workers.
Rather than nationalise a company the government has shares and then collects a proportion of the profits.
Doesn't something like this happen in China , big companies investing there are in partner ship with the government who puts up half the capital and gets half of the profits.
Donald Trump has been complaining about this practice, I think it is called market socialism or something,anyway it has lifted 300million Chinese out of poverty.

 

[JohnD]

economic stimulus argument.

Billionaires and their lackeys like to claim that tax-cuts for the rich will trickle-down to the rest, and stimulate the economy, via money spent on (BMW) Rolls-Royces, (American) private jets, and palaces or marinas (in Monaco)

Funnily enough, they never encourage aid for the poor, which might just as well trickle up.

 

[JohnD]

Would it not be better if the state owned shares in private companies instead of shareholders or workers.

Railways and Utility companies in the UK are widely state owned. The profits go to cutting taxes and improving public services, since the government and the public gain.

Foreign governments and public, that is. Not our own.

 

[JP_]

All politicians are lying asswipes. The only question you need ask yourself is, which form of government is best for the country, and more specifically me and my family?
For me, it's a combination of labour and liberal policies. Tories don't come into it.

 

[SirGalahad]

Delete absurd and brexitnomics and you have it in a nutshell. But its broader than pulling in taxes being paid elsewhere, there is an economic stimulus argument.
Look at all these schemes: http://www.greatbusiness.gov.uk/tax-relief-and-incentives-for-businesses-and-investors/

Do you think the aim was to reduce overall revenue or did the creator realise that these breaks would create an overall revenue benefit. Oh hang on, that's absurd brexitnomics surely

I give up. If you want to rewrite economics, be my guest but how does your model tally with the Income/Expenditurte model. Hint It doesn't.

http://www.econweb.com/macro/kcross/notes.html

You are mixing taxonomies and going off on tangents. I will leave you to your thoughts.

It is Brexitnomics that you are pushing.

 

[durhamplumber]

but we cant continue with this crisis.

So leave EU and let govt sort it..

 

[durhamplumber]

Public services have been cut to such an amount we are seeing serious issues in police, housing, councild going bust, schools having to shut on friday afternoon.

And to fund those services properly, tax has to come from somewhere.

Wtf are you dribbling on about

 

[SirGalahad]

Would it not be better if the state owned shares in private companies instead of shareholders or workers.
Rather than nationalise a company the government has shares and then collects a proportion of the profits.
Doesn't something like this happen in China , big companies investing there are in partner ship with the government who puts up half the capital and gets half of the profits.
Donald Trump has been complaining about this practice, I think it is called market socialism or something,anyway it has lifted 300million Chinese out of poverty.

It's referred to as having a Golden Share if its about voting rights or simply having state majority ownership or backed by the state like Fannie Mae in the US - it can take many forms.

The issue in economics is the principal-agent problem.

What you want to first decide is what is the aim or economic object you want to achieve and then work from there.

Water Privatisation did not create competition it simply created a private monopoly from a public monopoly. The private company only needs to answer to its shareholders and profit maximise. if it was Government owned it could put a greater focus on the environment or keeping costs down - this then comes into producer vs consumer surplus. So lower costs the saving passed onto the consumer who can then spend that into the economy rather than currently the profits are sent abroad.

The point is you need to determine first what goal you want to achieve.

 

[SirGalahad]

Railways and Utility companies in the UK are widely state owned. The profits go to cutting taxes and improving public services, since the government and the public gain.

Foreign governments and public, that is. Not our own.

Which pretty destroys the argument for privatising the railways. Where the argument was private ownership would incentivise the owners to increase asset utilisation.

A crock full of s hit.

 

[Notch7]

So leave EU and let govt sort it..

Easy revoke article 50.

End of all this sht,
pound jumps upwards,
everyones a winner.