Trump commits political suicide?

[transam]

Afaik turn out in US elections is always pretty low ? dunno what the turn out was in the recent one ?

But in some elections it has only been just over 50 %

The question is what happens if the turn out in the US or UK dips below 50 % what then ???

 

[Doggit]

True democracy won't come until you can go home, log into the TV (because it's at your home address) and then check through what issues you want to vote on. At the minute, we vote in a party, then have to put up with the petty arguments beween the MPS, each trying to score points to get themselves re-elected, yet have no control over what they decide the're important enoigh to tell you what to do. Very few are actually qualified to do the job, and I can't think of anyone since Thatcher that stood up for Britian, rather than themselves.

Lamont was the last good chancellor, but Hammonds a complete waste of time, and I'm sitting here watching Carney pontificate on the economy, and wonder who the hell chooses these idiots.

But it also won't come untill the kids get taught politics at school, and get taught to chalenge their parents views. At the minute, religion and politics tend to get passed down from generation to generation, and no one challenges the knee jerk pavlovs whistle response.

 

[noseall]

But it also won't come untill the kids get taught politics at school, and get taught to chalenge their parents views.

For the love of all things sacred! How out of touch are you?
You can't possibly be a parent, surely?

 

[Doggit]

Explain a bit more succinctly please Noseall.

 

[noseall]

A childs' parents are everything to them during their formative years. I take you are not a parent yourself?

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

Your comments are so lacking in anything worthy of substance, there is little point in responding.
Your repetitive comment is, "how do you know it is the truth?" "show me a link." "links don't prove anything."
Or even sometimes always your comments are just gibberish.

And yet you do respond, what a needy little man you seem to be...

Do you think that there is something wrong in my asking you to prove that the statements that you make are true? you and your buddies seem to be very keen to demand that others prove the validity of their opinions, why is it wrong for me to ask the same of you? Or doesn't the truth apply to you?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Do you think that there is something wrong in my asking you to prove that the statements that you make are true? you and your buddies seem to be very keen to demand that others prove the validity of their opinions, why is it wrong for me to ask the same of you? Or doesn't the truth apply to you?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with you asking for evidence/support/other reputable opinion to show that one's opinion is valid.

When you then summarily dismiss that evidence/reputable opinion without providing similar counter arguments, it is juvenile behaviour, and baseless arguments.
For example, recently wobs provided you with reputable opinion to support his arguments, and your reply was, "that is only valid if you are dumb enough to believe them." As demonstrated below.
It is pointless providing you with such evidence because you dismiss it out-of-hand without providing any counter arguments.

Indeed, wobs asked you for an alternative model, and you failed to respond.

It reminds me of my young grandchildren arguing: "Is,", "Isn't", "Is", Isn't",...... ad infinitum.

Along with a list of other studies who say much the same thing. Shall I bore you with them?
Here's a few tasters:
https://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/files/smc2016_26april2016.pdf
www.rug.nl/research/portal/files/39338209/IPOL_IDA_2016_595334_EN.pdf

"Calculations using a standard multicountry, multisector, computable
general equilibrium model show welfare losses of 1.3 to 2.6 percent,
but dynamic models that incorporate productivity effects suggest that these
could rise to 6.3 to 9.5 percent. Brexit’s supposed benefits—such as lower
immigration, better regulations, and more trade deals with non-EU countries—
would do little or nothing to offset these losses. It seems unlikely that voters
were fully aware of the magnitude of these costs at the time of the vote."
https://www.brookings.edu/wp.../2017/.../brexits-long-run-effects-john-van-reenen.pdf

And then there's what Japan thinks:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/japan-brexit-note-to-britain-2016-9
Now that is interesting, given how much they have invested in the UK.

But this is only valid if you are dumb enough to believe what they are telling you.. How do you check what they say is true? The could be telling you lies to suit their own agenda...How do you know that their models are correct? economic models cannot take into account unexpected data beyond what they have been programmed for and since we now live in unpredictble times, all bets are off... and as HimaDIY says they may be feeding you duff data knowing that you will spread it.... Perhaps that is how recessions are started..

The problem with academics is that they really serve no useful purpose and are only interested in where their funding comes from since being an academic produces no income from production

 

[Doggit]

A childs' parents are everything to them during their formative years. I take you are not a parent yourself?

Never assume anything Noesall. I am a parent, and have a 16 year old daughter at a local Grammar school that leaves a lot to be desired unfortunately. They have a political group in the sixth form run by an obivious Labour supporter, that is teaching them to debate, but not to think about the policies, so to my mind, it's just an entrenchment of exiting ideas.

Politics and religion are passed typically passed down from generation to generation, and too often its a simplistic case, of my parents voted sos and so, so I'm going to as well. My daughter and I have heated debatesabout both American and English politics, but she knows that she has the right to form her own ideas, and I will respect her views, even if I disagree with them.

It reminds me of my young grandchildren arguing: "Is,", "Isn't", "Is", Isn't",...... ad infinitum

So you haven't noticed that that's just what you end up doing Wannabe.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

So you haven't noticed that that's just what you end up doing Wannabe.

I vehemently disagree.
When we are discussing sensible topics, I contribute rational argument, often supported by evidence/reputable support, etc.
When we are trading insults, it is simply that, trading insults, except that often the other party resorts to repetitive display of the same picture, or repetitive identical comments about my imaginary spouse.

Whereas you have just demonstrated a typical "Is", "Isn't" argument. You state your case without a smidgen of evidence.
But you demonstrated recently, about the "Brexit fee" misunderstanding that you are often confused. You normally state your case without evidence, or supporting documentation and have to be corrected.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Bloke looks dodgy to me . an X banker or estate agent look about him

He would never make it as a plumber he looks to shifty & if he looks shifty

logic dictates he is shifty Trump sussed him out

Trump would make it as a Plumber . honest as the day is long

Did you get that motorbike on the motability scheme, arse end?
What about the car, did that come on the motability scheme?

You would not recognise truth if it jumped out bit you on the arse!

I am mentally retarded which I have told u or posted about on several occasions
I see that you consider it to perfectly acceptable to make fun or insult some one who has recognised disability with such comments as
Dummy .Half wit ,numb skull to name but 3 of your regular insults . I presume you have this type of prejudice against all disabled persons ??

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with you asking for evidence/support/other reputable opinion to show that one's opinion is valid.

When you then summarily dismiss that evidence/reputable opinion without providing similar counter arguments, it is juvenile behaviour, and baseless arguments.
For example, recently wobs provided you with reputable opinion to support his arguments, and your reply was, "that is only valid if you are dumb enough to believe them." As demonstrated below.
It is pointless providing you with such evidence because you dismiss it out-of-hand without providing any counter arguments.

Indeed, wobs asked you for an alternative model, and you failed to respond.

It reminds me of my young grandchildren arguing: "Is,", "Isn't", "Is", Isn't",...... ad infinitum.

A reputable opinion is just that, an opinion.... Internet based evidence is not evidence....

 

[JohnD]

fireice's disreputable opinion is not evidence, or even sensible.

He's told us under some of his previous names that he posts false stories for his own perverse pleasure.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

fireice's disreputable opinion is not evidence, or even sensible.

He's told us under some of his previous names that he posts false stories for his own perverse pleasure.

Got any proof of that John?

 

[transam]

Got any proof of that John?

he has not

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

he has not

No doubt that he will be fabricating something..