Two rcbb. One tripped

And returning to @matlob problem. The main point, he is the landlord, not the tenant or homeowner. So he has no idea what the tenant has done. So back to the picture View attachment 372823 fault can be lights, water heater, storage heater, kitchen sockets, or shower. Of these, the water heater and storage heater likely only active at night, likely off-peak only, so resetting the RCCB (RCD) assuming it will reset, does not really tell anyone what the fault was, we have an array of kitchen sockets which could have had anything plugged into them.

The RCD is unlikely to be faulty, but of course it could be, but to stop it happening again, some form of testing is called for. There are two ways to look for earth leakage. If the RCD does not reset, then we use a DC tester, this puts 500 volt DC on the circuit, and measures the resistance, and in general we look for over 1 MΩ. The problem is we are testing with DC, so capacitive or inductive leaking can result in a much higher leakage when using AC. (Machine often called a Mega and not really a device a DIY person can safely use.)

So if it does not trip, we use a clamp-on ammeter, we are allowed 30% back-ground leakage, so the limit with a 30 mA RCD for all circuits is 9 mA, clearly the meter must be able to measure 9 mA, so needs a scale with 1 mA increments. However, unlike the insulation tester, this tester does not require the user to open the consumer unit to do basic tests. I show here View attachment 372830 how one can clamp it around the tails between the consumer unit and the electric meter and in this case show a total of 8 mA leakage, and turning the MCB's on/off one can work out what leakage is down to which circuit, so it can be safely done by anyone.

My meter cost around £35, I had a quick look with google View attachment 372831depending on who you get it from can cost a little more or less to what I paid, but once you have found the faulty circuit what then? Let's say for example you find the water heater is the problem, what can the landlord do then, he needs to call an electrician or a plumber, in the main both will do both the plumbing and electrical work, but what was the point in spending £35 on a tester, rather than getting an electrician in the first place.

He needs minor works certificates for the work done to keep with the EICR, so is not likely to DIY the work, if he had the electrical skills, he would not have asked the question.

For the owner occupier telling them how to DIY likely helps, not sure if it is really helping a landlord?
But the water heater and storage heater mcb's are feeding contactors according to the labels, so the mcb's for the elements must be elsewhere and unlikely to affect this RCD.

My money is on either a faulty appliance in the kitchen or an outside light.
 
Thanks for all the replies all. Most of which went over my head :)

As way of an update, I sent an electrician over to take a look but there were no faults. I think the tenant reset the trips and all was working so they assumed all was ok. They also replaced a bulb which had blown but not sure if that was related.

However, it's tripped a few more times so I've been over there today and it is the lights that are tripping and not the shower. When I got there, just the light trip was off, I pushed that back up and all the lights worked fine and remained on. I then turned the lights trip to off and then back on. When it came back on it jumped back down and instantly tripped the RCCB.

Both turned back on ok and lights were working. I have left them with just the light trip off as it was when I got there.

I'm going to get the electrician out again as I assume he didn't check much as they said it was all fine.

The extractor fan in the bathroom wasn't working and that is triggered from the light switch. Not sure if that could be related but I'll get a new one installed when they check everything over. This has caused a bit of moisture so I guess that won't help either.

Thanks for all the help!
 
Another update. I've had the electrician out and he's replaced the extractor fan and found quite a lot of moisture around it.

This seemed to fix the problem but the tripping has come back.

It's always either the lights circuit or the RCBB that serves that side. Not sure what else was checked but I'll need to get him back again. Could it be something within the actual board causing an issue rather than a fitting?
 
This is a debate I had with my son, with a rented property you have no idea what the tenant has done. So an all RCBO consumer unit makes sense, as you have more of an idea where to look.

But to measure total leakage, shown being done here,
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at least I know how close to the wind I am sailing.
 

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