Damocles said:What we get for our money is not to have to fight wars in Europe any more and a power base which allows us to say 'no' to the Americans.
Do you think someone should tell Tony?
Damocles said:What we get for our money is not to have to fight wars in Europe any more and a power base which allows us to say 'no' to the Americans.
Damocles said:What we get for our money is not to have to fight wars in Europe any more and a power base which allows us to say 'no' to the Americans.
Yes, you're right, unless we leave the EU now, all the men and women who died in the two world wars will have died in vain and have been betrayed. We were conned and led into the EU by cheats, liars and traitors. We might just as well have handed over the keys of the Bank of England to Hitler in 1939.mildmanneredjanitor said:The vision of a United Europe is not a new idea... I think someone else had similar ideas in the past?
It would be interesting to come back in a 100 years to see what is happeningpipme said:Can just visualise . 100 years from now
Declaration of UDI
"In the lives of most nations there comes a moment when a stand has to be made for principle, whatever the consequences. This moment has come to Rhodesia. I pray, and I hope other Rhodesians will pray today, that our government will be given the wisdom and strength to bring Rhodesia safely through.
I call upon all of you in this historic hour to support me and my government in the struggle in which we are engaged. I believe that we are a courageous people and history has cast us in a heroic role. To us has been given the privilege of being the first Western nation in the last two decades to have the determination and fortitude to say "so far and no further".
We may be a small country, but we are a determined people who have been called upon to play a role of world-wide significance. We Rhodesians have rejected the doctrinaire philosophy of appeasement and surrender. The decision which we have taken today is a refusal by Rhodesians to sell their birth-right, and even if we were to surrender, does anyone believe that Rhodesia would be the last target of the Communists and the Afro-Asian bloc?
We have struck a blow for the preservation of justice, civilization and Christianity, and in the spirit of this belief have this day assumed our sovereign independence.
God bless you all."
Ian Douglas Smith 11th November, 1965
Not quite sure where you come to this comment? the beeb gets funding from the licence fee so if you don't watch tv or listen to the radio then you don't have to pay, hardly a tax!Scoby_Beasley said:No surprise ?kendor2 said:. Having worked for the Beeb for many years in the past it came as no surprise that they would try to have a dig at the government at some point or other..
As long as we have a non labour government the beeb will slag them, their (beaurocratic) jobs depend on the sucker tax payer, just like labour. and i'd never vote conservative after what maggy did to me
don't know about united europe? He certainly wanted a united idealism.mildmanneredjanitor said:The vision of a United Europe is not a new idea... I think someone else had similar ideas in the past?
oh come on Mas, the people who died in the world wars fought for their respective countries, I'm sure they wern't thinking of the EU during those times.masona said:Yes, you're right, unless we leave the EU now, all the men and women who died in the two world wars will have died in vain and have been betrayed. We were conned and led into the EU by cheats, liars and traitors. We might just as well have handed over the keys of the Bank of England to Hitler in 1939.mildmanneredjanitor said:The vision of a United Europe is not a new idea... I think someone else had similar ideas in the past?