Unbelievable!

[Dave54]

As we seem to outsource some of the prisons and so on to private business these days, perhaps we could save further and export some of the nastier types to those Southern state prisons in the USA. You know, the ones with chain gangs, hard eyed guards with pump action shotguns and crocodiles. . .

I'd also have the "three strikes" thing that they have in the States. Why keep letting people out to do the same thing time and time again.

I'm not an Admirer Of All Things American, but they seem to have more idea of how to deal with people who keep extracting the wee than we do.

Just for the record, I occasionally say things like "Those bar stewards need hanging" myself. Some of 'em definitely richly deserve it. Really though, there are too many "ifs"

Lock 'em up for good with decent healthcare and food, hard work, and very little luxury.

 

[Sombrero]

As we seem to outsource some of the prisons and so on to private business these days, perhaps we could save further and export some of the nastier types to those Southern state prisons in the USA. You know, the ones with chain gangs, hard eyed guards with pump action shotguns and crocodiles. . .

I'd also have the "three strikes" thing that they have in the States. Why keep letting people out to do the same thing time and time again.

I'm not an Admirer Of All Things American, but they seem to have more idea of how to deal with people who keep extracting the wee than we do.

Just for the record, I occasionally say things like "Those bar stewards need hanging" myself. Some of 'em definitely richly deserve it. Really though, there are too many "ifs"

Lock 'em up for good with decent healthcare and food, hard work, and very little luxury.

The US have a good system, and although I've argued against hanging, there is a value in looking at a "death row" situation.

But the really good point you made was the three strikes idea..! We currently have a multi tiered prison system (eg open prisons right down to solitary). So what if repeat offenders found themselves further 'down' the pan, so to speak, the more crimes they committed? And obviously fewer priviledges...!

 

[jockscott]

It was a unique case in British Justice history. 2 children (that's what they were at the time) tried as adults in an adult court. I'm sure that every one of us, has our own views on this crime. Whether it's right or wrong to free either of them, though, isn't up to us.
I'm not sticking up for either of the guilty parties, but,,,,, How would you feel if either of these two people , were your child ??? Would you want them incarcerated for the rest of their lives, ??? Would you want the death penalty meted out on your child?? Or,, would you want them freed ??
(only answer as though these were your kids, please,,, might put a slightly different complexion on this subject)

 

[JBR]

How would you feel if you were the parent of a murdered child?

 

[r.bartlett]

A sad day for so called British Justice and the victims of crime.
This b a s t a r d should have been hung along with his mate and a few others!

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Just to confirm you wished to hang two 11 year olds?

 

[Sombrero]

It was a unique case in British Justice history. 2 children (that's what they were at the time) tried as adults in an adult court. I'm sure that every one of us, has our own views on this crime. Whether it's right or wrong to free either of them, though, isn't up to us.
I'm not sticking up for either of the guilty parties, but,,,,, How would you feel if either of these two people , were your child ??? Would you want them incarcerated for the rest of their lives, ??? Would you want the death penalty meted out on your child?? Or,, would you want them freed ??
(only answer as though these were your kids, please,,, might put a slightly different complexion on this subject)

It's a good question, but we just don't know enough to answer..... I reckon most parents try to bring their kids up with a good set of values, (but that could vary massively). Some parents might have their own problems. The kids may have had mental health issues? Without all the complete reports that the court will have seen, we're not best placed to make the best decision.

So if it were my child, I feel I should know them very very well, and this would've been spotted, pre-empted, treated throughout school. As you say this is unprecidented in British legal history, so I suspect as a parent it's a completely unnatural place to be as a parent, and one 99.99999% of us will never have to deal with.

 

[michaelbailey]

family values and upbringing

 

[EddieM]

family values and upbringing

Can't be it entirely, many many many cases where kids are brought up in stable families with the same parental values being applied, within that family, the rest of the kids are angels (or at least decent) and ones a monster.

 

[michaelbailey]

true some families . have hard working parents and good family values some of the kids end up drug pushers and criminals

 

[conny]

A sad day for so called British Justice and the victims of crime.
This b a s t a r d should have been hung along with his mate and a few others!

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Just to confirm you wished to hang two 11 year olds?

At the time of their conviction ? No. I thought they should have been locked up for at least 30 years with no parole during that time.
Once they had reached their late teens and were not showing any sign of sorrow for what they had done, and after having the benefit of one to one education, plus all the other luxuries they and their ilk enjoy in these places they were then let out and shortly after broke their strict bail conditions by entering Merseyside and contacting old friends. They were given a 'ticking off' and 'awarded' new identities again. Venables then went on to defy the courts again by making it easy enough for people to identify him by getting drunk and taking drugs. For the third time he was given a new identity and then was allowed access and freedom to download child porn, (something that they knew he was interested in for many years during his incarceration), he is once again given a FOURTH new identity!
YES! I do want to see this sick b a s r t a r d lose his life and YES I would be willing to throw the switch, pull the trap door or, (reluctantly because its too easy for him ), press the plunger on the needle. As I have mentioned before, I knew police officers who worked on this case and not everything was revealed to the press at the time. two of my grand children are 7 and they both know right from wrong. They know it is wrong to hurt anyone or to hurt animals. They know the basic laws that we live by, i.e. not to steal, not to harm, not to lie etc. If one of my children had done this, or, God forbid, one of my grand children does something of this nature at that age then I would accept that they should be very severely punished.
This is not written emotionally, it has been done in a calm manner because I have grown up with the knowledge of where they lived and what their home life was really like. It was not the way the do-gooders described it. They did not live in filth, they were not left alone to watch violent porn films or fend for themselves. Yes they grew up in a poor district but so did hundreds of other kids on that estate. Why didn't they turn out the same way? Because they were not evil like these two!

 

[JBR]

I completely agree with what Conny has written and I too would pull the trapdoor lever.

It has to be said, though, that a serious contributory factor to the cause of the subsequent events is the sheer incompetence and naivety of the Parole Board and other do-gooders. These people are equally accountable for all the trouble that ensued and should be punished severely.

 

[Sombrero]

I completely agree with what Conny has written and I too would pull the trapdoor lever.

It has to be said, though, that a serious contributory factor to the cause of the subsequent events is the sheer incompetence and naivety of the Parole Board and other do-gooders. These people are equally accountable for all the trouble that ensued and should be punished severely.

We usually agree, but this time not I think...

not a problem for parole board, or do gooders.. but a problem for parents or carers...
or biology...

imagine waking up with loaded gun and a desire to kill cows... you'd go and kill cows... and us normal bods would get in the feds, a pychaiatrist and a vet..

 

[JBR]

I completely agree with what Conny has written and I too would pull the trapdoor lever.

It has to be said, though, that a serious contributory factor to the cause of the subsequent events is the sheer incompetence and naivety of the Parole Board and other do-gooders. These people are equally accountable for all the trouble that ensued and should be punished severely.

not a problem for parole board, or do gooders.. but a problem for parents or carers...
or biology...

You're right. It's not a problem for the Parole Board or the do-gooders. They just let the b u g g e r s go so they can continue their crime sprees and, of course, they are beyond reproach so no-one can do anything about it.

 

[Sombrero]

I completely agree with what Conny has written and I too would pull the trapdoor lever.

It has to be said, though, that a serious contributory factor to the cause of the subsequent events is the sheer incompetence and naivety of the Parole Board and other do-gooders. These people are equally accountable for all the trouble that ensued and should be punished severely.

not a problem for parole board, or do gooders.. but a problem for parents or carers...
or biology...

You're right. It's not a problem for the Parole Board or the do-gooders. They just let the b u g g e r s go so they can continue their crime sprees and, of course, they are beyond reproach so no-one can do anything about it.

Yes, sadly, that is true !

 

[EddieM]

Then you simply conspire to state sponsored murder. Get one wrong, that's it you should be in the dock too. In the world of an eye for an eye, we are all blind. matters not anyway, can't happen, it's the mark of a civilised country.