Vented / unvented cylinders, pros and cons

[PullerGas]

So a null argument again! FFS.

So a housing association can't guarantee to install and maintain the system properly, therefore you conclude it is an inferior system. You also ignore the down sides of open vented as you are totally blinkered despite the BS alternative thinker label you like to apply to yourself.


As the other thread got locked due to whiny Google warriors complaining to the mods, I should like to point out that you recently advocated using fairy liquid to find gas leaks. And you claim to not have given dangerous advice in the past.



Housing associations

But Dan, if he's a M&E consultant employed by a HA; he has got to justify his huge fees & general BS.
Think of all the BS letters & emails firing back & forward! The poor HA committee members need to cover their arze, just incase they get sued & bawbag here is employed to go down when he makes a complete balls up of the design.

Most HA tenants are dole scroungers, so why have they got any choice in anything?? A combi would always be the cheapest to install & maintain. It's a no brainer!!

But hey, it's a yard stick of his intellect; asking on a DaftyDIYers forum??!!

 

[Dan Robinson]

Consultants should be in the swear filter.

 

[bernardgreen]

A combi would always be the cheapest to install & maintain. It's a no brainer!!

So price over rides what the customer wants

Most HA tenants are dole scroungers, so why have they got any choice in anything??

There are Housing Associations formed by a group of professionals who want to build and finance a community of houses for themselves and by forming a Housing Association they have more chance of being sucessful.

There are Housing Associations that have been created to take over the running of social housing from local councils. And there are a precentage of people on benefit who could if they were less lazy and more presentable get a job and be less dependent of benefits. But don't class most residents in Housing Association homes as dole scroungers.

As it happens the person who did the gas installatons for a 15 house Housing Association community build was a fully employed and GasSafe registered technician who wanted something differnt for his children than a spec built house on a commercial housing development. So he joined the association and helped to build the 15 houses, one of which he now owns.

 

[PullerGas]

A combi would always be the cheapest to install & maintain. It's a no brainer!!

So price over rides what the customer wants

Most HA tenants are dole scroungers, so why have they got any choice in anything??

There are Housing Associations formed by a group of professionals who want to build and finance a community of houses for themselves and by forming a Housing Association they have more chance of being sucessful.

There are Housing Associations that have been created to take over the running of social housing from local councils. And there are a precentage of people on benefit who could if they were less lazy and more presentable get a job and be less dependent of benefits. But don't class most residents in Housing Association homes as dole scroungers.

As it happens the person who did the gas installatons for a 15 house Housing Association community build was a fully employed and GasSafe registered technician who wanted something differnt for his children than a spec built house on a commercial housing development. So he joined the association and helped to build the 15 houses, one of which he now owns.

Well, we the British Tax Payers pay for it, no matter how you flannel it BG!! Give them the basics & if they don't like it, they can save for a mortgage deposit & live on corn beef - like the rest of us!!

As a young man, me & the wife worked round the clock & starved to save for a mortgage & get on the property ladder. These scroungers want everything instantly & someone else to pay for it!!

Social housing is a life long burden for Tax Payers. Thanks Gawd Maggie sold of most of them.

 

[bernardgreen]

These scroungers want everything instantly & someone else to pay for it!!

You ignore, or probably are un-aware of, the way self build communities are set up and funded. Dole Scroungers would not go anywhere near one as it requeires them to work...

they can save for a mortgage deposit & live on corn beef

The "deposit" is hundreds of hours of work the families put into constructing the house. In many case this is fitted in between a full time job. Then via the "Housing Association" which is more akin to the original building society they can arrange a zero deposit mortgage to buy the house.

 

[PullerGas]

These scroungers want everything instantly & someone else to pay for it!!

You ignore, or probably are un-aware of, the way self build communities are set up and funded. Dole Scroungers would not go anywhere near one as it requeires them to work...

they can save for a mortgage deposit & live on corn beef

The "deposit" is hundreds of hours of work the families put into constructing the house. In many case this is fitted in between a full time job. Then via the "Housing Association" which is more akin to the original building society they can arrange a zero deposit mortgage to buy the house.

Ah, so it's self-build & someone else pays for their cheap mortgage?? OK, OK how much Government Grant do they get or should I say how much is the rest of us paying for their leftie scheme?

 

[bernardgreen]

Ah, so it's self-build & someone else pays for their cheap mortgage??

Do some research for yourself.

 

[PullerGas]

Ah, so it's self-build & someone else pays for their cheap mortgage??

Do some research for yourself.

That's the problem with you retired engineers types, you think everyone else is interested in the misplaced & irrelevant drivel you spout. Nobody is interested mate.

 

[bernardgreen]

Nobody is interested mate.

Maybe nobody in your social circle is interested, but yours is not the only social circle is it ?

 

[shambolic]

Nobody is interested mate.

Maybe nobody in your social circle is interested, but yours is not the only social circle is it ?

It is on here

 

[bernardgreen]

I woke up this thread to mention a little gem that came up on a mailing list where the non vented versus vented discussion is still having comments added.

||> Inspection of appliances on the estate revealed that only one house retained the orginal header tank fed systems. The original systems in the other 14 properties had at various times been replaced. (*)~~~~~ ~~~~~~ The house with the original system still in operation was occupied by a plumber. <||

(*) it is not stated that non vented systems have been installed but if only one house has header tanks then it is reasonable safe to assume the others have not got got open vented systems.

The inspections were made following an incident which severed the service mains to the estate.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Is there a point here?

 

[bernardgreen]

Is there a point here?

It supports the idea that some plumbers choose not to have non vented systems in their own home even if other plumbers have recommended non vented systems to people living in identical houses. Which supports the idea that some plumbers and heating engineers may advise systems that are easy to install rather than systems that are best suited to the needs of the customer.

There is no mention of who installed the non vented systems. It might have been the plumber who lives on the estate.

 

[muggles]

It supports the idea that some plumbers choose not to have non vented systems in their own home even if other plumbers have recommended non vented systems to people living in identical houses. Which supports the idea that some plumbers and heating engineers may advise systems that are easy to install rather than systems that are best suited to the needs of the customer.

There is no mention of who installed the non vented systems. It might have been the plumber who lives on the estate.

Rubbish. All it shows is that the plumber occupying that house hasn't bothered to change from the system that was already installed. I doubt he chose to have it, it was most likely already there when he moved in, he's simply chosen not to change it. It demonstrates absolutely nothing about the way he, or anyone else, chooses to work nor the advice they give

 

[bernardgreen]

he's simply chosen not to change it.

why would a plumber choose not to upgrade to a non vented system if non vented is so much better than vented ?

Another point discussed on the mailing list is how many non vented cylinders have the necessary annual check of the safety devices. How many owners ignore the need to check the safety deivices based on the assumption that the heating and hot water is working so all is OK. ?