I hope from my previous posts that I give the impression of being a quiet thoughtful fellow with no tendency to mislead or deliberately aggravate but some of the comment here is just sheer rubbish – some is unfortunately true.
I don’t lie. Mind you if you asked a liar the same question he’d give you the same answer so you’ll have to make you own mind up about me.
Most of what’s written here is not my experience of WarmFront (4 years).
WarmFront world is just like your world, it is not perfect. It just is not a perfect world.
Private and local installers are not perfect and do as much if not more ripping off of clients than anybody else. And as much rubbish work. Even BG with their “can’t get parts for this anymore lady” or “ain’t gonna last long, do you want me to get someone round to give you a quote?” routines.
If they or independents got a 92-94% satisfaction return on a survey by MP’s looking to find fault as WF did they would be pleased.
Expertgasman: Can you imagine giving a little old lady or a learning disabled person a voucher for £3500 and a copy of the yellow pages and telling them “go find a local installer to help you spend it” - uckin el, can you imagine the chaos? How many £3,499 jobs would there be before many went into excess.
How does the scheme compete with the local installer? He can work for the scheme as a subby or installer if he’s big enough. More work to be shared round. Those whose boiler has broken down and are prepared to wait six months to get it fixed wouldn’t be his customers anyway.
There are 100 plus installers on the WarmFront Scheme, Eaga own one of them (eagaheat) and they got 32% of the work at maximum. Now much less. The other installers are going in at cost now to keep their men busy. Yes there were installers who took advantage of the scheme; they took advantage of private customers before they went on the scheme, while they were on the scheme and they’re out there still taking advantage of private customers now they’re thrown off the scheme.
Paul Barker: An applicant will get the grant for the house he lives in; if he moves he would get the grant again in the new house. If an eligible person moved into the house he’d just left they wouldn’t get the grant as the heating should have been bought up to spec first time. If the man you know owned two houses and you know he’s done this let WarmFront know. For corruption to prosper it only takes a good man to do nothing.
I survey, I don’t assess whether the person qualifies or not but when I come across an applicant who doesn’t or isn’t living in the house I leave and shop ‘em – easy, done it many times – love it! (Landlords themselves can apply since a recent change but that’s the government’s decision not eaga’s).
How can an assessor manipulate someone’s (a client) eligibility? They either are eligible or are not and they have to show the benefit books. They either want the work done or do not. Lady this very morning, 27 year old Baxi Bermuda working OK. She asks me should she change? I tell here that there’s one moving part in that boiler and the bit that usually fails would cost up to £50 to change. Not one current boiler in my mind, not Vaillant Worcester, Atag, any of them will give her 27 years of service like that Baxi. But what would you have me tell her? Baxi designed the boiler for 15 year life (that’s what they all do and did) it’s done 12 past that, should she stick with it and ignore the opportunity for a new boiler for nothing? She can’t afford to upgrade privately that’s for sure.
If any of the guys here are self employed and needed something for their house but could put it through as a material cost in their books as tax deductable I’d wager many will have. Same as getting a bit of fuel for business use when it’s personal. Take a tax break on vehicles for business use or reclaiming VAT on certain stuff. Same as a pensioner or a single mum getting a boiler. Why should a gas fitter get a new laptop or fancy gear he could live without for a couple more years or a personalised registration plate for a grand or two off as a business tax deductable after a good year?
It’s an imperfect world and at least a lot of people are better off whether it’s worth it or not - 27% of total carbon emissions are from home energy use and WarmFront saves between 11 and 25% of those on each boiler install which the client wouldn’t do off their own backs.
Not saying everything is perfect, just saying it is not all imperfect.
I don’t lie. Mind you if you asked a liar the same question he’d give you the same answer so you’ll have to make you own mind up about me.
Most of what’s written here is not my experience of WarmFront (4 years).
WarmFront world is just like your world, it is not perfect. It just is not a perfect world.
Private and local installers are not perfect and do as much if not more ripping off of clients than anybody else. And as much rubbish work. Even BG with their “can’t get parts for this anymore lady” or “ain’t gonna last long, do you want me to get someone round to give you a quote?” routines.
If they or independents got a 92-94% satisfaction return on a survey by MP’s looking to find fault as WF did they would be pleased.
Expertgasman: Can you imagine giving a little old lady or a learning disabled person a voucher for £3500 and a copy of the yellow pages and telling them “go find a local installer to help you spend it” - uckin el, can you imagine the chaos? How many £3,499 jobs would there be before many went into excess.
How does the scheme compete with the local installer? He can work for the scheme as a subby or installer if he’s big enough. More work to be shared round. Those whose boiler has broken down and are prepared to wait six months to get it fixed wouldn’t be his customers anyway.
There are 100 plus installers on the WarmFront Scheme, Eaga own one of them (eagaheat) and they got 32% of the work at maximum. Now much less. The other installers are going in at cost now to keep their men busy. Yes there were installers who took advantage of the scheme; they took advantage of private customers before they went on the scheme, while they were on the scheme and they’re out there still taking advantage of private customers now they’re thrown off the scheme.
Paul Barker: An applicant will get the grant for the house he lives in; if he moves he would get the grant again in the new house. If an eligible person moved into the house he’d just left they wouldn’t get the grant as the heating should have been bought up to spec first time. If the man you know owned two houses and you know he’s done this let WarmFront know. For corruption to prosper it only takes a good man to do nothing.
I survey, I don’t assess whether the person qualifies or not but when I come across an applicant who doesn’t or isn’t living in the house I leave and shop ‘em – easy, done it many times – love it! (Landlords themselves can apply since a recent change but that’s the government’s decision not eaga’s).
How can an assessor manipulate someone’s (a client) eligibility? They either are eligible or are not and they have to show the benefit books. They either want the work done or do not. Lady this very morning, 27 year old Baxi Bermuda working OK. She asks me should she change? I tell here that there’s one moving part in that boiler and the bit that usually fails would cost up to £50 to change. Not one current boiler in my mind, not Vaillant Worcester, Atag, any of them will give her 27 years of service like that Baxi. But what would you have me tell her? Baxi designed the boiler for 15 year life (that’s what they all do and did) it’s done 12 past that, should she stick with it and ignore the opportunity for a new boiler for nothing? She can’t afford to upgrade privately that’s for sure.
If any of the guys here are self employed and needed something for their house but could put it through as a material cost in their books as tax deductable I’d wager many will have. Same as getting a bit of fuel for business use when it’s personal. Take a tax break on vehicles for business use or reclaiming VAT on certain stuff. Same as a pensioner or a single mum getting a boiler. Why should a gas fitter get a new laptop or fancy gear he could live without for a couple more years or a personalised registration plate for a grand or two off as a business tax deductable after a good year?
It’s an imperfect world and at least a lot of people are better off whether it’s worth it or not - 27% of total carbon emissions are from home energy use and WarmFront saves between 11 and 25% of those on each boiler install which the client wouldn’t do off their own backs.
Not saying everything is perfect, just saying it is not all imperfect.