Washing machine trips rcd

[ban-all-sheds]

Mate your a idiot just deal with it.

Really?

Care to advance a cogent argument in favour of your position? Would you be able to provide a logical and reasoned explanation of why a suggestion to use a spelling checker is amazingly, shockingly rude, and idiotic?

Is it dyslexia, I wonder, which causes you to write "m8" instead of "mate"?

 

[JohnW2]

BAS, you appear to have, in the middle of the night, re-posted a batch of posts, the originals of which I presume must have been removed by the mods. I would remind you of what I recently said about thin ice, and the fact that, despite an awful lot of things, a good few of us would not like to lose you.

One might suggest that you should forget debates about whether your off-topic posts in this thread have been rude, abusive or unhelpful or whatever - but, instead, focus on the (undoubtedly true) fact that such posts are totally unwanted by (and a source of irritation to) the vast majority of forum members. If you wish to be, and remain, a member of this community, you surely have to give some consideration to the views and wishes of the majority of members of the community?

Similar considerations obviously apply to many of your contributions to other threads.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

BAS, you appear to have, in the middle of the night,

Early start today.

re-posted a batch of posts, the originals of which I presume must have been removed by the mods.

Indeed they were.

But have you stopped to wonder why they were removed? What the justification was?

For I can't see it.

Were they unhelpful or off topic?

Well, if they were, then so was this one and this one and this one and this one. But they haven't been removed, have they.

Were they abusive? You can read them - you tell me.

And what of these:

It's called shockingly rude & you need to grow up mate

I find you amazingly rude & sad m8

Are they rude? They are certainly ruder that the original one of mine which was completely non-judgemental, contained no terms of abuse or denigration etc.

And this one?

Mate your a idiot just deal with it.

That is definitely abusive. Has it been removed?


So - unbiased, even-handed, consistent moderation? I don't think so.

I would remind you of what I recently said about thin ice, and the fact that, despite an awful lot of things, a good few of us would not like to lose you.

I wouldn't like to lose me either, but my self-respect will not allow me to be bludgeoned and threatened into submitting to the kind of biased moderation we have seen here.

One might suggest that you should forget debates about whether your off-topic posts in this thread have been rude, abusive or unhelpful or whatever

There would have been no such debate if my post had not been removed on totally specious grounds and then perfectly polite requests for an explanation completely ignored.

but, instead, focus on the (undoubtedly true) fact that such posts are totally unwanted by (and a source of irritation to) the vast majority of forum members.

It's an irritation to me too, but see above about the necessity.

If you wish to be, and remain, a member of this community, you surely have to give some consideration to the views and wishes of the majority of members of the community?

I also have to give consideration to my standards, my morality, my ethics.


The OP's post was full of spelling mistakes which would have been found by a spelling checker. There is nothing wrong with suggesting to the OP that he avails himself of technology to improve the quality of what he writes. And if people hadn't started pretending there was there would have been an awful lot less fuss.

 

[JohnW2]

<far, far too much>

I've expressed my view, which I very much doubt is unique to me. It's now for you to decide how you wish to behave - in the way which you, and probably only you, feel is a "necessity" (for as long as you are allowed to), or in the way that almost all other forum members would hope, expect and wish you to behave.

Kind Regards, John

 

[bernardgreen]

The OP's post was full of spelling mistakes which would have been found by a spelling checker. There is nothing wrong with suggesting to the OP that he avails himself of technology to improve the quality of what he writes.

BAS Your posts are informative but sadly are full of the psychological errors that trainee teachers make when trying to educate students. These errors lead to the students losing respect for the teacher and the teacher failing to impart to the students the knowledge he or she has.

Some may suggest you avail yourself of training in education to enable visitors to this site learn from your knowledge and experience.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I've expressed my view, which I very much doubt is unique to me. It's now for you to decide how you wish to behave - in the way which you, and probably only you, feel is a "necessity" (for as long as you are allowed to), or in the way that almost all other forum members would hope, expect and wish you to behave.

What do you think I should not have done?

Not suggested to the OP that he start using a spelling checker?

Or not done anything when a Moderator removed the post on specious grounds?

 

[JohnW2]

What do you think I should not have done? ... Not suggested to the OP that he start using a spelling checker? ... Or not done anything when a Moderator removed the post on specious grounds?

Well, IMO, you probably should not have commented about a matter totally unrelated and irrelevant to the topic of this thread (and which, as you knew full well, was likely to annoy both the OP and others) - and, if you hadn't done that, the latter issue you mention above would not even have arisen.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Well, IMO, you probably should not have commented about a matter totally unrelated and irrelevant to the topic of this thread

Well - it was absolutely not unrelated to the thread as a whole, as it related to the post which started it. As I'm sure you recognise, I have a great deal of experience in posts which are relevant to the topic subject but which are regarded with dismay by some because of the way they are written.

You yourself have on more than one occasion voiced such dismay. And therefore it puzzles me that you now seem to be proposing the idea that as long as a post is relevant (which an opening one must be), it doesn't matter at all how it is written. And vice-versa, that a post deserves to be removed if it is not relevant, no matter how it is written.

Are there absolutely no limits to what you will tolerate, and expect others to tolerate, in the way a post is written? No spelling, punctuation or grammatical errors, no matter how egregious, will you comment on? I know I can trust you to be honest, so please remember that as soon as you admit to having a line which should not be crossed we can no longer argue about whether a line should be drawn, only where.

One of the things Kido wrote was "m8". It does look as though he is claiming that his dyslexia made him do that, but putting that to one side for now, do you think that "m8" (as in "mate", not a screw size) is acceptable? There used to be a rule against that sort of thing - shamefully it has been dropped.

(and which, as you knew full well, was likely to annoy both the OP and others)

Actually no - I did not know that full well, I didn't even vaguely suspect it. It seems that I am never going to lose my capacity to be amazed at how little some people care about the principle of doing a good job.

 

[JohnW2]

<far too much, again, and far too far off the topic of this thread>

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Another example of him not getting it

You have made it on topic by raising the issue and criticising me/advising me to not write certain things.

Don't you dare do that and then moan again when I have the effrontery to reply to you!


And you have completely ducked answering the question about whether there can ever be a post so badly written that it's right to say something about it.

 

[JohnW2]

And you have completely ducked answering the question about whether there can ever be a post so badly written that it's right to say something about it.

If a post is so badly written that the meaning is not clear, then it is obviously necessary to seek clarification - but even that can be done without criticising or "saying something about" the writing or the author. If the meaning is clear, despite typographical/ grammatical/ whatever errors, then, no, I don't see that there is ever a need to comment about that in a DIY Electrics forum. You have a different view, but there is nothing to debate.

Of course, 'amongst ourselves' we often tease each other or make light-hearted comments about typos, grammar, use of words etc. (usually with appropriate emoticons) - but I am sure you understand that to be a totally different matter.

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

If a post is so badly written that the meaning is not clear, then it is obviously necessary to seek clarification - but...

Of course, 'amongst ourselves' we often tease each other or make light-hearted comments about typos, grammar, use of words etc. (usually with appropriate emoticons) - but I am sure you understand that to be a totally different matter.

As there should be no punctuation before the coordinating conjunction the dash is completely unnecessary and pointless.
Such carelessness will not be tolerated.

 

[JohnW2]

Of course, 'amongst ourselves' we often tease each other or make light-hearted comments about typos, grammar, use of words etc. (usually with appropriate emoticons) - but I am sure you understand that to be a totally different matter.

As there should be no punctuation before the coordinating conjunction the dash is completely unnecessary and pointless. Such carelessness will not be tolerated.

I really don't know when/how/why I acquired the "dash habit" (sometimes a row of dots) but, as you will be well aware, it has become such an entrenched feature of my writing style that I find it very difficult to suppress it (although I obviously have to, when writing 'formally'). Much the same is true of the point BAS has previously picked up on, about my excessive (and often grammatically incorrect) use of both double and single quotation marks, which is again something which I have to largely suppress in formal writing!

[and, interestingly, there were three or four places in what I've just written were I very nearly inserted dashes, but stopped myself (just this once!!) out of consideration for your lack of tolerance of such a practice ]

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

 

[JohnW2]

I really don't know when/how/why I acquired the "dash habit" (sometimes a row of dots) but ...

On reflection, I suspect that the habit probably arose during a phase of my life when a lot of what I wrote was destined to be presented (at least initially) orally - so I think those dashes (or rows of dots) probably crept in as indications/prompts as to where short breaks (breaths?) should be inserted when vocalising it. If the same material was to be subsequently published in a written form, those grammatically incorrect/ inappropriate bits would be edited out at that stage.

Kind Regards, John