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've been listening to a load of moaning from the in-laws about how their 10%+ pension rise will be taken up with extra income tax on their private pension and the rise in council tax.
Isn't it moan-worthy, when it puts you into the 45% tax band?
 
I think you're muddling up individual experience with the overall picture. Either this is just plain ignorance of facts or you're just attempting to mislead.

Obviously there's always been poverty, and wealth. People have always got richer over the course of their lifetimes. But the extent to which the pendulum has swung towards the current crop of pensioners is unprecedented.

The old are basically eating the young, and the young need to rise up.

The boomers haven't fought any wars, and haven't really done anything for anyone other than themselves. Worse than that, they put nothing aside and legally obliged their children to pay a massive chunk of their income to them. While moaning all the way about it not being enough, how hard times once were, that fortnight that interest rates were 15% bla bla bla etc.

The most entitled, spoilt and ungrateful generation ever.
 
Isn't it moan-worthy, when it puts you into the 45% tax band?
No, it's still additional income whatever the income tax situation.

Unless tax is over 100%, which it isn't, then any additional state pension payment WILL result in additional income.

Also no pensioner pays National Insurance, that second income tax that the working age population are forced to pay.
 
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Also no pensioner pays National Insurance, that second income tax that the working age population are forced to pay.
But they paid it while they worked, it's one of the things that goes towards pensions, amongst other things. Millennials in the "gig economy" probably pay no NI, a job here and a job there, may earn a bit but NI is paid on earnings per job, not total earnings, so 3 jobs paying £150 each = no NI. I know lots of people under 30 and just over 30, many have bought property, yet they still have cars on finance, mobile phones, holidays, I never had that until I was a lot older and had paid off most of the mortgage (by foregoing those things). Millennials and Gen Z can achieve the same, they just need to work for it, loads do. I just hope I get my pension without the government changing the goalposts again. One main difference between boomers and millennials/gen z is that boomers didn't take risks, ie, didn't overstretch finances with extra credit, youngsters seem not to be afraid of using credit to the max.
 
Also no pensioner pays National Insurance, that second income tax that the working age population are forced to pay.

Why should they pay NI, many, like me, have paid NI their entire working lives. The bargain was - pay that, and you could retire with a pension and have health care. Despite paying no NI, pensioners are still liable for income tax, council tax, VAT and numerous other forms of taxation.
 
What point are you trying to make? Are you actually suggesting that the average working age person is likely to equal the wealth of the current pensioners? Unless they all win the lottery next week then that's extremely unlikely.

Some actual facts, instead of spouted opinions...

Home ownership has decreased for people aged under 65 years​

People in their mid-30s to mid-40s are three times more likely to rent than 20 years ago​

People in mid-life are far more likely to rent privately than in the past​

Half of people in their mid-30s to mid-40s today have a mortgage, compared to two-thirds 20 years ago​

Personally I'm extremely grateful we managed to get a house that suits our needs and have paid off the mortgage. But I have huge empathy for those who are younger. I will not be ranting about whatever pension I do get not being enough.

Younger people have always wasted money on crap, that's just a fact of life. I remember people spending stupid amounts on hifi in the 1980s, this was basically the iphone of its day. Cars, holidays etc - people have always blown money on rubbish. Also once the bottom rung of the housing ladder is so way out of reach then there's no point in trying to stretch to it, young people may as well just blow the money on stuff to cheer themselves up a bit instead of trying to reach an impossible goal.
 
Why should they pay NI, many, like me, have paid NI their entire working lives. The bargain was - pay that, and you could retire with a pension and have health care. Despite paying no NI, pensioners are still liable for income tax, council tax, VAT and numerous other forms of taxation.
It's likely that the actual amount you've paid is insignificant compared to the services you've used and will continue to need. Also there weren't many pensioners about while the current crop were working, so little had to be paid for their upkeep. Nothing was put aside by the boomers to pay for their own upkeep, they enjoyed very low tax and in addition squandered the one-off huge north sea gas and oil windfall.

The "bargain" was offered by boomers on behalf of boomers, to be paid for by those who weren't yet of working or voting age. They were stitched up before they could have had a say in it, many of them before they were even born.

It's been intergenerational robbery.
 
Younger people have always wasted money on crap, that's just a fact of life. I remember people spending stupid amounts on hifi in the 1980s, this was basically the iphone of its day.

The difference was - you grew up and decided your money was much better invested in your home.

Cars, holidays etc - people have always blown money on rubbish.

Can't have it both ways. Either you spend your earnings usefully, or you blow it on the unnecessary things, like the latest Iphone every year and new clothes. There has never been so many things to waste money on, as there are now. They are constantly bombarded by companies keen to relieve them of their money, the secret is to simply ignore. It must be worth the companies paying for such high levels of advertising.
 
It's likely that the actual amount you've paid is insignificant compared to the services you've used and will continue to need.

I very much doubt that, I am, and still do pay for many services. Yet I paid more than my share of tax and NI, into the system, over my working life.
 
Rarely have it anymore! But when I do it's on beer or parts for the car.

Last purchase was a set of NOS front Lockheed calipers for a Hillman Minx. An absolute steal at £50!
 
In terms of buying a house, my parents (b1935 and 1936) and their generation had it much easier. House prices have gone nuts.
 
That's not the fault of brexiteer boomers they wanted an end to unprecedented levels of immigration, it's your lefties who wanted that.
 
That's not the fault of brexiteer boomers they wanted an end to unprecedented levels of immigration, it's your lefties who wanted that.
That was one factor among many, you're over-simplifying to idiotic levels.

Until now, high house prices have been thought to make older voters happy, so the govt has lobbed massive amounts of taxpayer money into the market via various subsidies and incentives to keep the prices up.

I suspect that they think the tide has turned, or that things are now so bad that there's nothing they can do to stop the crash. Hopefully a few indebted buy to let landlords are going to get a big slap of reality soon, via falling prices and high interest rates. Perhaps some young tenants will be able to buy a house for a knockdown price at their bankruptcy auction.
 
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Is that the Buick V8 ? That's been around since the 50s/60s. The Rover P5B was the first to have it fitted, a P5 with the B standing for Buick. Fairly bullet proof, had a V8 SD1 in the 80's, the engine was the only thing that didn't fail.

Yes it would be the Buick derived V8
3.5 slightly tuned pretty much have the entire package ( turn key)

7 litre chevy I have is probably a
Tadge to powerful / torkey for a Ford Sierra diff plus manual gear boxes for them are not cheap
 
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