What`s the point?

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Bengasman, you get a call from a client who wants a CH system and a UV cylinder. How do you work out what to purchase for the job (size, quantity and output)
 
You measure the rooms check the kilowatt range for every room then add 3 kilowatts for Hot water to get size of boiler :D :!:


That`s wrong isn`t it. :cry:
 
The "whole house" method is recommended for sizing the boiler (see EST online boiler calculator).

Although all heating installers should have attended an Energy Efficiency course and done the assessment and received the Certificate there is a very common misperception of the power to be added for hot water.

The addition should be 2 kW as demonstrated in that on line calculator!

Anyone who states a higher figure is not following the official guidance which is designed to maximise the efficiency of a heating system.

Tony Glazier
 
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So a combi boiler is sized by measuring the incoming mains flow rate. A system boiler is sized by measuring rads because the hot water is stored am I getting somewhere near ? :D How do you measure flow rate per second then :?: :cry:
 
Yes Tony, theory is wonderful.

How about.

Heating 8Kw.

Hot water 35Kw.

Most combi cans the hot water demand is double the heating load.

2Kw is rubbish, it depends on the occupancy and demand for starters.
 
So a combi boiler is sized by measuring the incoming mains flow rate. A system boiler is sized by measuring rads because the hot water is stored am I getting somewhere near ? :D How do you measure flow rate per second then :?: :cry:

Not even close :LOL:

You measure the room to get the right size radiator to heat the room, undersize it and you freeze the nuts off, oversize and you're throwing money away on the installation cost.

2 small rads spaced out can be better than one gert big thing taking up half the wall.

The DHW is sized for occupancy, a couple with 3 kids want more than a couple with no kids.
 
The DHW is sized for occupancy, a couple with 3 kids want more than a couple with no kids.

Most couples with 3 kids started off as a couple with no kids!

Someone I know who is over 60 has just become a father again in spite of his wife always saying she did not want any kids!

The couple with no kids could sell to a couple with 4 kids.

Whilst the existing usage should be taken into account so should the potential useage of that size of property.

Tony
 
Agreed Tony.

Also the number of bathrooms must be taken into account, A cylinder which is suitable for 2 baths one after the other, may be too small if 2 baths are run at the same time, and a bigger cylinder requires more energy.
 
Combi wise, is it sized by incoming flow rate for hot water or not?? How`s this measured??? :confused:
 
That`s wrong isn`t it.

Charlie, why is it wrong?

Option I would use is access heating load and stick a combi that can take care of that. Let the combi supply HW to kitchen/ utility room and UV cylinder can take care of HW needs (for now and future). Cannot see a couple specifying a small cylinder now and increasing the size as family gets bigger.
 
DP, how is a combi sized for HW requirements? is it as D.Hailsham states, in other words is it sized on incoming flow rate? if so, how is this rate measured? If it`s not sized in this way, how`s it done? :cry:

Seem to be a lot of conflicting views here. :confused:
 
So if your incoming mains, measured from the cold tap with a flow cup says that you`ve only got a flow rate of 10 litres it would be pointless putting a combi in that boasts 13litres per min Hot water delivery, is that right?
 
So if your incoming mains, measured from the cold tap with a flow cup says that you`ve only got a flow rate of 10 litres it would be pointless putting a combi in that boasts 13litres per min Hot water delivery, is that right?

Not necessarily, it will depend on the static pressure as well, you may be able to install an accumulator for example and boost the flow to 15L/min, or even upgrade the service pipe.
 

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