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What is 'losing our identity'?
What was the goal of Brexit?
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We have had three years of stalemate because the PM at the time and her ministers were in the large remainers so as often happens they smiled at us from the cameras and gave us words of comfort such as "The will of the people must be upheld" whilst behind closed doors they plotted a way to be seen to be doing the right thing but really they were negotiating a deal that they knew parliment could never agree because they felt that the people were wrong and that they knew better.
The vote I would like now is the one where every town and city that voted to leave could vote their MP in or out solely based on their performance in this matter. Let us get rid of the liars and cheats who`s only interest is their own. My own view is that the house of commons and the house of lords needs culling by around 50% and every one of them must of held a real life proper job for at least five years prior to entering politics.
(I`m away for a week with limited internet connection so should I not reply it is not because I don`t like your reply
)The deal we got is not that bad. Actually no deal has been done, trade talks havent started and we wont get a good deal.
Nowhere as good as the current deal.
Its true TM negotiated badly -accepting sequencing has ruined any chance of a good trade deal, but there is not really much that could be done to improve the WA.
The silly thing is, the backstop is a very good deal -free access to the customs union that nobody else would have.
Your argument about its a bad deal because it was done by remainers is wrong. TM couldnt do anything different because there is no majority in parliament for a type of Brexit. Because the result was 52 48 means government is split.
Brexit is all to do with saving the Tory party, nothing to do with any democracy.
Boris is campaiging for no deal, not because he believes its best, hes doing it to get votes away from the Brexit party.
The problem I have with the argument Leavers have is they are focused on 'democracy - we must have whats been voted'. But what they should be arguing is the case for leaving.
What the No-dealers don't realise is that the first thing the British government will need to do, in the event of a no deal is begin trade negotiations with the EU.
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Come off it.
When we have walked off the plank into shark infested water our bargaining position is strengthened.
Using the metaphor that you always need to walk away if you cant strike a deal implies you remain as you are. A no deal in negotiations means both parties remain as they were before. That would mean we remain in the EU.
The same people asking for change are the ones who rail against change by using that old chestnut 'back in my days it was better'.
Yes, I think Britain should say it has left, to keep the leavers happy, but just carry on as if nothing has happened.
They won't notice and then they will tell us "You see, I told you it would be alright".
They won't notice and then they will tell us "You see, I told you it would be alright".
I reckon that's what'll happen anyway.
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Spoken like a real slimeball of a current MP.
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No chance
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This is very true actually. If you look at immigration as a percentage of population, we are in a pretty low place, behind:
United Arab Emirates
Qatar
American Samoa
Kuwait
Caribbean Netherlands
Monaco
Falkland Islands
Sint Maarten
United States Virgin Islands
Macau
Andorra
Bahrain
Isle of Man
Channel Islands
Northern Mariana Islands
Guam
Brunei
Anguilla
Luxembourg
French Guiana
Singapore
Jordan
Hong Kong
Niue
Aruba
Australia
Lebanon
Liechtenstein
Gibraltar
Mayotte
British Virgin Islands
Antigua and Barbuda
Saudi Arabia
Oman
Bermuda
Switzerland
Palau
Israel
Montserrat
Tokelau
New Zealand
New Caledonia
Turks and Caicos Islands
Maldives
Gabon
Curacao
Canada
Kazakhstan
Nauru
Guadeloupe
Wallis and Futuna
Sweden
Cyprus
Croatia
Saint Pierre and Miquelon
Estonia
Bahamas
Ireland
Reunion
San Marino
Cook Islands
Austria
Martinique
Belize
Germany
United States
Saint Helena
Djibouti
Norway
Latvia
All those countries have more immigrants per native population than the UK.
Source: UN 2015 report - https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/data/estimates2/estimates15.asp
Kind of destroys the argument that everybody wants to come here to exploit us - most were going to other places before Brexit ref.
Was chatting to an old Turkish friend at the weekend who was saying how hard Visa is finding to employ people at the moment - nobody wants to go and work there now, and this is causing a skills shortage. If we keep deterring qualified multilinguals this will be another company that will have to move its UK business to Europe.
Well, if we're taking in an extra 400,000 people p.a. to The UK, we're obviously taking the wrong ones.
Correct.
That's counting 2nd generation for example Indian as native. And only first generation as an immigrant. These figures are deceptive as they dont reflect the continued mass migration over many decades. On those figures the huge number of say Muslim Pakistanis living in Luton or London are counted as native except they are still causing tensions.
The Gulf countries listed give out temporary visas with the indigenous Arabs with full unequal power to get rid of any foreigner . If an Arab kills an Indian for example in Dubai he is let off because he's a 'native'. Lots of the other places were tiny islands like the Falklands lol.
Come on which countries are causing their indigenous working classes to flee their cities like in the UK? You'll need a better response than that for your argument.
Latvia lol the migrants there are Russian. They basically look and act the same. Your figures dont tell the real story. With Latvia its like all Britain's migrants coming from Ireland.
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