Why are we planning to weaken our data laws?

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IT Minion said:
Not closely, I'm closer to the delivery side where Microsoft and other cloud players were struggling to supply demand at the start of Covid-19.

At least MS don't allow you to move data center, you have to rebuild from scratch. Those sort of shifts aren't quick, faster than doing it with physical tin but not 2 months on a maybe.

Also, five major providers? There's only three major players globally. More if you include China but I'm really hoping were not going to drop our laws that far.
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I'm not talking about Alibaba. People get sucked in to Azure and AWS as being the only cloud options, but IBM GCP, Oracle, even the SaaS vendors like workday and salesforce are all competing to get your data in their cloud. Dublin and Amsterdam woo'd them with low taxes, Frankfurt with grants.. etc. Thats all been put at risk with Brexit. The value is in managed services, BPO etc.. Not (pardon the term) tape monkeys. Apart from Dublin and Amsterdam the rest of the EU members have failed to exploit the growth of tech. You have their labour laws and Tech tax initiatives to blame that on.
 
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motorbiking said:
I'm not talking about Alibaba. People get sucked in to Azure and AWS as being the only cloud options, but IBM GCP, Oracle, even the SaaS vendors like workday and salesforce are all competing to get your data in their cloud. Dublin and Amsterdam woo'd them with low taxes, Frankfurt with grants.. etc. Thats all been put at risk with Brexit. The value is in managed services, BPO etc.. Not (pardon the term) tape monkeys. Apart from Dublin and Amsterdam the rest of the EU members have failed to exploit the growth of tech. You have their labour laws and Tech tax initiatives to blame that on.
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Do you have a translate button please.
 
yep: you can buy screws in toolstation as well as screwfix, the EU would like Bauhaus and Hornbach to sell screws to compete with Toolstation and Screwfix, but wants to find a way to say toolstation and screwfix's screws are inferior.
 
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motorbiking said:
I'm not talking about Alibaba. People get sucked in to Azure and AWS as being the only cloud options, but IBM GCP, Oracle, even the SaaS vendors like workday and salesforce are all competing to get your data in their cloud. Dublin and Amsterdam woo'd them with low taxes, Frankfurt with grants.. etc. Thats all been put at risk with Brexit. The value is in managed services, BPO etc.. Not (pardon the term) tape monkeys. Apart from Dublin and Amsterdam the rest of the EU members have failed to exploit the growth of tech. You have their labour laws and Tech tax initiatives to blame that on.
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Workday use AWS, Salesforce is Azure. Throw in GCP for the big three. The rest are either minor players, mostly reply on cross selling from their locked in solutions like SAP, or not Floyd providers at all.

But we're probably wandering off into a very dull area. Even for IT.

What's more relevant is while you might be able to make a case that diverging from the EU data protection laws might give us a competitive advantage, doing it with two months notice is not going to be very helpful. All the business process outsourcing contracts that currently happen within the UKs boundaries with EU data are at serious risk. You know lawyering words, isn't there a concept where contracts can be broken when something out of the control of either party makes the contract irrelevant?
 
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The government has given over a years notice that data sovereignty will be a potential issue post brexit.

Force Majeure doesn’t really apply to changes in legislation. You would normally oblige the supplier to comply in exchange for any necessary cooperation and assistance.
 
motorbiking said:
The government has given over a years notice that data sovereignty will be a potential issue post brexit.

Force Majeure doesn’t really apply to changes in legislation. You would normally oblige the supplier to comply in exchange for any necessary cooperation and assistance.
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Notice it might change, or might not, is very different to saying how it will change, which at the moment no one knows.

Also post Brexit is a very wide time range, whilst it does include Immediately on January 1st, but doesn't require it. The assumption I'd heard was a planned change after discussion and decent time to prepare.

Crashing out of the data protection agreements is just madness.
 
IT Minion said:
Crashing out of the data protection agreements is just madness.
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Indeed

Intelligence on terrorists would be deleted from EU database under no-deal Brexit, senior officials warn

"Vital intelligence about terrorism and organised crime relating to Britain would need to be expunged from the European Union’s security database if there is a no-deal Brexit, senior security and diplomatic officials have warned.

The lack of an agreement on data sharing would mean that the UK would no longer have access to a wide swathe of information systems including European Criminal Records Information Service and would also jeopardise the chances of finding a replacement for the European Arrest Warrant."
 
motorbiking said:
Sorry but intelligence sharing issues, are completely irrelevant to any "government plans to have a pro-tech data privacy policy", which is the original post.
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I doubt GCHQ, MI5 or MI6 would lose much sleep about it anyway.
 
The security services and police service work within the law. They don't like working outside the law at all. Sleepless nights? Perhaps not, lots of meetings and diversions from useful work? Yes.
 
motorbiking said:
Sorry but intelligence sharing issues, are completely irrelevant to any "government plans to have a pro-tech data privacy policy", which is the original post.
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It is exactly the point.

If it is not compatible with the EU, then no cooperation.

And especially if any intelligence the UK holds is handed to the US against EU regulations!
 
motorbiking said:
I'm not talking about Alibaba. People get sucked in to Azure and AWS as being the only cloud options, but IBM GCP, Oracle, even the SaaS vendors like workday and salesforce are all competing to get your data in their cloud. Dublin and Amsterdam woo'd them with low taxes, Frankfurt with grants.. etc. Thats all been put at risk with Brexit. The value is in managed services, BPO etc.. Not (pardon the term) tape monkeys. Apart from Dublin and Amsterdam the rest of the EU members have failed to exploit the growth of tech. You have their labour laws and Tech tax initiatives to blame that on.
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It's not like they have homogenous products - GCP provides better support for Kubernetes and it's why we moved from AWS. Yet AWS KMS is one of the best around. It is swings and roundabouts. BTW - Oracle Cloud is a non starter.

Can you list any unicorn that uses Oracle, IBM etc for their cloud services?
 
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