Wild West

[JBR]

I once pulled a fake gun on someone who was about to cause me trouble. It diffused the situation instantly. I'm not willing to go into any detail obviously.

Excellent!
Needless to say, if the Plod had been involved (and I assume they weren't) YOU would have been the one to be charged and your assailant (again presumably) would have been seen as the 'injured party'.

 

[Dextraneous]

Sorry to harp on, as I've said this countless times before, but I believe a far more effective deterrent to gun-related crime would be the return of the professional hangman.

Unfortunately, the bleeding heart brigade disagrees with me and, as we all know, their word counts.

I'm with you in principle. The only argument that has made me re-evaluate my position is the possibility of the offender taking information to the grave that might help solve other crimes and thus resolve victims' and their families' heartache.

i have therefore come to the conclusion that total and permanent solitary confinement is the key, with the only "contact" being via a camera/microphone which would be monitored by random "guards" at random times on the offchance that the offender says something worth listening to.

 

[JBR]

Sorry to harp on, as I've said this countless times before, but I believe a far more effective deterrent to gun-related crime would be the return of the professional hangman.

Unfortunately, the bleeding heart brigade disagrees with me and, as we all know, their word counts.

I'm with you in principle. The only argument that has made me re-evaluate my position is the possibility of the offender taking information to the grave that might help solve other crimes and thus resolve victims' and their families' heartache.

i have therefore come to the conclusion that total and permanent solitary confinement is the key, with the only "contact" being via a camera/microphone which would be monitored by random "guards" at random times on the offchance that the offender says something worth listening to.

Yes, I can see a great deal of sense in that.

THEN they could hang him.

 

[Whitespirit66]

DELETE

Someone beat me to it! (he puts out fires joke)

 

[handyjack]

They should bring back hanging for telling lies in public office.

 

[Whitespirit66]

They should bring back hanging for telling lies in public office.

Blair should be first. But then, thinking about it, he would probably be protected by his brass neck.

 

[Newboy]

It's true that per capita there are more gun-related killings in the U.S. than in the U.K., but I wonder how killings using something other than a firearm compare? I don't think I've ever seen statistics for that, because the media is usually too wrapped up in the gun angle.

Seems to be reasonably consistent that murder by firearms is just under 70% of all murders with stabbings second at around 12%/15%


http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

 

[vinty]

Sorry to harp on, as I've said this countless times before, but I believe a far more effective deterrent to gun-related crime would be the return of the professional hangman.

Unfortunately, the bleeding heart brigade disagrees with me and, as we all know, their word counts.

I'm with you in principle. The only argument that has made me re-evaluate my position is the possibility of the offender taking information to the grave that might help solve other crimes and thus resolve victims' and their families' heartache.

i have therefore come to the conclusion that total and permanent solitary confinement is the key, with the only "contact" being via a camera/microphone which would be monitored by random "guards" at random times on the offchance that the offender says something worth listening to.

Yes, I can see a great deal of sense in that.

THEN they could hang him.

Isn't that what they do in America,keep someone on deathrow for 20 years while their appeals are being heard and then they execute them.

 

[PBC_1966]

Seems to be reasonably consistent that murder by firearms is just under 70% of all murders with stabbings second at around 12%/15%

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

I wonder how the proportions compare for the U.K. though?

Blair should be first. But then, thinking about it, he would probably be protected by his brass neck.

I wonder if he breathed a certain sigh of relief when the EU forced the U.K. to abolish the death penalty for treason in 1998.

Isn't that what they do in America,keep someone on deathrow for 20 years while their appeals are being heard and then they execute them.

I think that's one aspect of the way the system has become which irks a lot of people. Here in California years ago there was the infamous "red light bandit" case in which Caryl Chessman spent 11 years on death row before finally going to the gas chamber in 1960. I believe at that time that was the longest anyone had ever spent on death row, and was many times the average duration. Now 11 years doesn't even come near to the average.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Rather the converse of here.

Not for murder but terrorism plot -

fifteen year old sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of five years.

May not get out until he's TWENTY.

 

[JBR]

Sorry to harp on, as I've said this countless times before, but I believe a far more effective deterrent to gun-related crime would be the return of the professional hangman.

Unfortunately, the bleeding heart brigade disagrees with me and, as we all know, their word counts.

I'm with you in principle. The only argument that has made me re-evaluate my position is the possibility of the offender taking information to the grave that might help solve other crimes and thus resolve victims' and their families' heartache.

i have therefore come to the conclusion that total and permanent solitary confinement is the key, with the only "contact" being via a camera/microphone which would be monitored by random "guards" at random times on the offchance that the offender says something worth listening to.

Yes, I can see a great deal of sense in that.

THEN they could hang him.

Isn't that what they do in America,keep someone on deathrow for 20 years while their appeals are being heard and then they execute them.

Not exactly.
The Yanks are trying to be more technically advanced than us: they use chemical poisoning and the electric chair - both of which often fail to kill cleanly and quickly.
A criminal hanged in a professional manner suffers instant death when their spinal cord and brain stem are snapped.

 

[JBR]

Rather the converse of here.

Not for murder but terrorism plot -

fifteen year old sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of five years.

May not get out until he's TWENTY.

An absolute joke.
Is that going to deter others from doing the same thing?

 

[Newboy]

Bit of background reading

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/about-sentencing/types-of-sentence/life-sentences/

 

[JBR]

Bit of background reading

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/about-sentencing/types-of-sentence/life-sentences/

Yes, I am aware that the 5 years was a minimum term and that after that the offender qualifies for consideration of parole.
The trouble is that with all the do-gooders, bleeding hearts, defence lawyers and Grauniad readers, there is an excellent chance that he'll be out.

 

[EFLImpudence]

There doesn't seem much point in having mandatory life sentences if the judge can, in effect, reduce it to five years or whatever.