Wine-who?

[namsag]

So daytona you are happy for these scum to screw your house break into your car and take resources out of the health system that heaven forbid could be used to find cures for child illnesses, cancers etc etc
Well i`m not we have a choice to they took the wrong one so let them die or punish them in a way to bring them back into society

 

[spice]

I'm absoloutly sick to the back teeth of her cover version of valerie

I'm absolutly sick to the back teeth reading about her.

She has a great voice, her future mapped out, could earn a fortune, be the next best thing since sliced bread, and what does she do???? mess it all up.

I have no sympathy for her, she has been given a chance that most people would die for, and she messes up.

 

[Bilioustrumpstaine]

We make excuses for Amy because she can sing, if she lived down the road from us we we would be telling our kids stay away from that junkie.

Why is that?

I look at the two pictures in the OP and wonder how anyone can go from babe to bag lady so quick. It is time that she was sectioned until she can see her own mind again.

Very sad.

 

[noseall]

She has a great voice, her future mapped out, could earn a fortune, be the next best thing since sliced bread, and what does she do???? mess it all up.

I have no sympathy for her, she has been given a chance that most people would die for, and she messes up.

spot on.

 

[joe-90]

she has been given a chance that most people would die for

She is doing! Give the girl a break.

 

[daytona]

So daytona you are happy for these scum to screw your house break into your car and take resources out of the health system that heaven forbid could be used to find cures for child illnesses, cancers etc etc
Well i`m not we have a choice to they took the wrong one so let them die or punish them in a way to bring them back into society

not true.i was very unhappy when my cousin stole from me to feed the habit.

nowhere near as unhappy with him as i am with the people who sold him the stuff in the first place.he did good,he got clean.then his mother died suddenly and the scum came back to sell him more.dealers have been known to pin people down and inject to get them addicted again.its the dealers you want,preying on vulnerable people who have had episodes in their lives that make them lose their ability just to cope.

i dont expect you to understand namsag or even care tbh,but these things are not always as clear cut as people try to make out.
heroin is a dependency not an addiction,its not a fag and once started,its a battle for survival

 

[Bilioustrumpstaine]

Dealers of class A drugs should get 20 years in nick. No parole, no playstation, no luxuries, just get them off the streets. Not enough prisons ? then build some more !

 

[ColJack]

dealers of drugs should be bankrupted and all their assets seized, then publicly executed as a deterent to people..

at the end of the day, the person taking the drug is to blame for whatever befalls them.. they chose to take the stuff in the first place for whatever reason.
even if a dealer does do what has been said above, then it's only possible to get someone addicted again if they were addicted in the first place..

 

[Bilioustrumpstaine]

Dealers are low life scum suckers who prey on the weak minded.

There are many reasons that people take drugs and the first and foremost is that they are readily available, take the dealers out of the equasion and have assistance ready for those who are hooked.

There is a certain school of thought that says let drugs be made available to those that are hooked and there would be no need for dealers and the crime that comes from junkies who are desperate for their next fix.

Plod is not interested in catching dealers, I bet I could go find one tonight in my local town, and if I can do it why can't they ?

 

[JohnD]

if it wasn't illegal it wouldn't be so profitable so the bottom would drop out of the illegal dealer business.

That would be a terrific win.

plus the stuff wouldn't be cut with dangerous additives so less dangerous for those unfortunates who use the stuff.

That's two wins.

Plus the users wouldn't have to burgle my house or mug your granny to get the money to pump into the organised crime trade

That's three wins. Seems enough to me.


Shame the US gov't is still committed to worldwide prohibition, and pressures the rest. You might think they would have learned something from their last attempt at prohibition and the organised crime it promoted.

edited to correct typo

 

[Soggy_weetabix]

Plus the users would have to burgle my house or mug your granny to get the money to pump into the organised crime trade

I presume you meant wouldnt have to burgle my house?

Heroin addiction or depencency is a god awful mess to be in. Going cold turkey really takes it out on the body, as does any opiate depencency. The receptors that crave the drug (same as smokers) dont know why they are deprived, but when you see how dependant smokers are (and nicotine is extremely non dependent), you must appreciate the hell addicts endure getting off opiates.

The body literally thinks it cant live without it.

BUT the body can, and the only way is cold turkey (for the young). Unfortunately, most addicts will trade hard drugs for cannabis and alcohol to get them through the void left after they are off the heroin.

Your then left with a drug as dangerous as opiates... alcohol.

David

 

[JohnD]

(yes, I did)

I would prefer that people didn't become, or remain, addicted to alcohol, tobacco or drugs.

But since they do, I think it is better that we don't construct a policy of illegality that encourages organised crime. We have a degree of control over the first two of these groups, why not the third?

 

[2scoops0406]

I agree with JohnD, legalise it all, because then you can control it, you will never eliminate it. I cannot believe some of the comments posted about the poor girl, yeah sure she looks awful now (4 years ago she looked great) IMO she has a great voice, but other are obviously entitled to their opinion on that. I for one hopes that as a person she sorts herself out.

As for being sick of reading about her, well I don't reckon she would actively court some of the publicity she has had, and if your sick of reading about it, try either not reading the stories or switch from the Sun / Mirror / Daily Mail.

As to those who think drug addicts are weak minded / scum / spawn of the devil, to them I say that I believe addiction is a disease. Many more people than you would believe take narcotics of some sort, and function perfectly well in society, some unfortunately get hopelessly addicted. For instance I personally have quite a few colleagues who enjoy recreational substances, none of them is hopelessly addicted, and none of them steal to fund their habit. (BTW for what it's worth, I never even tried anything stronger that a spliff at university, yes I inhaled, and yes I threw up shortly afterwards, which marked the end of my dabbling)

 

[namsag]

2scoops taking occasional drugs and being so addicted that you can`t hold a job down and end up stealing and robbing are 2 different things.
As you say it would surprise people how many and who take drugs ,i have mates who reached their forties and had never touched anything in their lives only to start hitting coke and E`s all thinking they where trendy but in fact became ass holes.
It is avialable in just about every pub now no matter how respectable it is, making it legal is not going to take away the other problems related to it ask any doorman/bouncer and they will say they can handle drunks but they don`t know how the ones with drugs are going to react
Cops where far too lenient on drugs about 10/15 years ago and it has now become the norm and they are now having to deal with a far wider problem

 

[2scoops0406]

I wouldn't be surprised if opiate abuse was far higher in victorian times. Your experience from your mates is very markedly different from my experiences, the people I'm talking about are in their 50's and have casually taken drugs since their 20's, none of them have been arrested, none has been in any trouble with the law, all have good jobs and are looking forward to their retirement soon. They are also not unrepresentative of the wider working men and women where I work.