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[joe-90]

What about the ten thousand killed in the bombing of Baghdad in reprisal attacks - I guess they were just Iraqi women and children so that's OK?

 

[megawatt]

Warfare's a messy business.

 

[joe-90]

So why do you complain when someone brings it onto the London Tube?

 

[Mw Roofline]

words just aren't sufficient!!!

Indeed. I still get the same horrible feeling watching that as I did when it was live.

 

[Shytalkz]

Shytalkz and joe90 you should both shut the fook up and just remember the ones that died in the two towers, you should be disgusted with your self's argueing about some thing like this, for gods sake let them rest in peace

Don't be so ridiculous, they're dead and us two having a debate about Joe's sure-fire knowledge of collapse is not going to change that. Your disgust would be better directed at those who conceived and carried out the attack; and all the episodes which has since taken place, as a direct consequence of terrorism.

This is not a virtual memorial garden - there are plenty of those on the net if you feel the need to pay your respects.

 

[megawatt]

So why do you complain when someone brings it onto the London Tube?

Because Joe ... Terrorism isn't war, different rules apply ... i.e. No rules govern terrorism.

I can't believe that you are so stupid as to not realise the difference so I guess you are just being the same old obtuse Joe.

MW

 

[joe-90]

So why do you complain when someone brings it onto the London Tube?

Because Joe ... Terrorism isn't war, different rules apply ... i.e. No rules govern terrorism.

I can't believe that you are so stupid as to not realise the difference so I guess you are just being the same old obtuse Joe.

MW

Wot John said in the other thread. (can't wait for the reply from you to him)

 

[tim west]

So why do you complain when someone brings it onto the London Tube?

Because Joe ... Terrorism isn't war, different rules apply ... i.e. No rules govern terrorism.

I can't believe that you are so stupid as to not realise the difference so I guess you are just being the same old obtuse Joe.

MW

It depends on the viewpoint from what side you look from, and how a person is defined as a terrorist or a freedom fighter, just because one country doesnt recognise anothers army as such doesnt mean they dont believe in a just cause from their perspective.
They must believe it so much that they are willing to lose their own life in doing so! Don't twist what i say here as i dont believe in violence whether by an unrecognised faction or a fully equipped and mobilised "legitimate" army, its all wrong in my opinion.

As for politicians making dodgy decisions for others to go and get killed, perhaps they should be the first to go and maybe they won't be so rash in their decision making process next time?

The big difference i see between the two warring sides is one that is fighting because it has to by orders and the other fighting because of emotion.

 

[Deluks]

So why do you complain when someone brings it onto the London Tube?

Because Joe ... Terrorism isn't war, different rules apply ... i.e. No rules govern terrorism.


MW

Rules govern war?

"The concept of "The rules of war" is the most ridiculous contradiction ever. War represents the last resort, the total breakdown of civility and all out total chaos. How can you play a 'game' like that by the 'rules' ?

The rules don't apply when you're on the back foot.
Whichever 'team' you're on.

 

[WDIK]

Shytalkz and joe90 you should both shut the fook up and just remember the ones that died in the two towers, you should be disgusted with your self's argueing about some thing like this, for gods sake let them rest in peace

Don't be so ridiculous, they're dead and us two having a debate about Joe's sure-fire knowledge of collapse is not going to change that. Your disgust would be better directed at those who conceived and carried out the attack; and all the episodes which has since taken place, as a direct consequence of terrorism.

This is not a virtual memorial garden - there are plenty of those on the net if you feel the need to pay your respects.

following some of the comments posted i am shocked at the level of peoples hard faced selfish cynicism and total lack of respect for the poor souls who died that day and the many many many who have died are dying or will die as a result cleaning up the aftermath

does that denotes the level of compassion of some on here ?
how is it that, supposedly intelligent people can stoop so low as to make such remarks?

if so then dont expect the burning necklace to be extinguished by my urine

 

[Shytalkz]

Quite where does the issue of respect (or a lack of) for people long since dead come into the scheme of things in this particular thread? Maybe if we were leaping up and down saying good on yer, Osama, that was a cracking stunt, you might have a point. Possibly.

Showing a lack of respect for them is watching those caught on camera and in photos jumping to their deaths, over and over again, seeking out pix on the net of burst bodies on the pavement, replaying the last phone calls that were recorded - that's the same as rubber-knecking at an accident. It's not through asking Joe if he really knows how the towers collapsed - and by that I didn't just mean the progressive collapse, but the actual mechanism by which that happened.

Yes there were a lot of innocent people who died that day. But there have been many many thousands more innocents killed since then, as a result of the response to that event.

As terrible, not to say needless, as all of it was and is, life does go on and we can't be expected to speak in venerated tones of (whisper it) the dead for ever more and a day. Were you and are you still upset about Diana, perchance? Do you give a fig about the Iraqi and Afghanis killed? Or for our troops and those of the coalition forces who have been killed?

 

[WDIK]

Shytalkz; that is i must say a more balanced point of view and I accept the truth in what you are saying.

Im sorry but it was the "they're dead get over it" attitude move on !!

the truth of the matter is even today its still killing even 7 years later and it will be killing 20yrs from now.

why do I feel offended?
well in a sense even I'm now showing disrespect I suppose, but My wife comes originally NY.

My brother inlaw is a cop based in harlem as part of the PAPD

he was off that day.

My father inlaw is an NY fire chief, now retired

he was off that day.

another brother inlaw is in the USAF rank captain he fly's C5's
that day he was working, he was on the other side of the pentagon.

another brother inlaw was a humble odd job man licenced tiler and bathroom installer, he wasn't grand with air's and graces, he was a common man trying to make a living who's idea of having a good time was letting off an SBD in a crowded carriage

he didn't have the kind of money to buy private medical insurance and over there you either have it or its charity.

so...

He was one of thousands who cleaned it all up afterwards.

he died at the age of 39.

stomach and bowel cancer.

there was a lot nasty toxic substances in those buildings

I hope I don't cheapen these unknown hero's memories and what they did and the price they paid, paying or will pay.

 

[Shytalkz]

Good post and I in turn hear what you say. I will go and have a look at that link - you could see that it was obviously likely to cause problems, from the film taken when the French guy was outside and under that car (after the second collapse?).

 

[WDIK]

sorry man that day had a terrible impact on me.

i recommend anyone anyone visiting NY city, should go to ground zero.

all you see is next to nothing, except the memorial steel work.

stand a while and contemplate.

its ok to stand and cry, no one will notice.......

 

[joe-90]

Stand and cry? After the Americans went out and bombed to death 10,000 innocent people in Baghdad as a means of revenge? Not forgetting Fallujah. Did you spare a tear for them also? Thought not.