YALE 6200 with two working sirens

[ahdsh]

Firstly, The other poster is not myself but the person I helped and secondly you have misunderstood how the way the system has been made to work with two sirens.

 

[LordBlack]

Well, I see that I have a few people to respond to, so I shall try and include you all in this post.

youtekkinthepish said:

And the point of this thread is what exactly???"

...Err, well I don't know if it’s just me but I think Europlex kind of hit the nail on the head with his comment. Unless of course, you were making reference to my "vicious comments" remark at the end - In which case (if that is the case) there clearly is no value in talking to you.

djrock said:

"So what tests have you done? Do you have equipment to monitor the packet transmissions from both sirens?

Without doing proper tests and knowing the capabilities of the equipment you best follow what Yale say.

Who knows what adverse effects having a second siren could cause."

What would you like me to say to this, would you like me to take you, step by step through everything that I've done so you can analyze what I say and then (surprise surprise) pull what I say apart while probably claiming something along the lines of "It hardly being a scientific test - blah blah blah" - Well, forgive me if I don't walk down that particular avenue... I said that I followed his advice, I said that I had done every test that I could - And I said everything was working fine. If you want to come to my property and perform packet transmission tests on the system, be my guest... Why can you just not accept that something may actually just work - Without the (as I've said before!) Profit driven business telling you about it..?

RF Lighting said:

"£1 says that fast alarms and lord black are the same person"

Well, with investments like that, Warren Buffett [its clear] you’re not. But fear not, as I note that djrock is on hand to offer signs of support to what can only be described as a pathetic retort… Oh, RF Lighting: one last thing – I think you meant “£1 says that fast alarms and lord black IS the same person” (there are books that can help you out with that sort of thing, just pop G C S E [and] English into your favourite search engine)

I know that I've come across quite sharp in this reply to some forum members, but in my defence - My comments have not been made without provocation. As I see the situation, it seems abundantly clear to me (and I suspect, anyone with any degree of intelligence reading this) that many people replying on this thread only have a problem with self-install / DIY alarms either because they have a vested interest in people not opting for the self-install / DIY option or they just like to start trouble.
Personally, I have often found myself being directed to this site when I am searching for answers to my DIY issues through Google as (contrary to some members suggestions) I am only 27 and have not long ago bought my first property in this knock-down market... And it needs a lot of work. I would like to remain an active member of the forum - If however it means I'm going to be charged upon every time I post simply because I had the audacity to stick up for someone who IMO is obviously just trying to help people in positions like mine, then I shall leave...Frankly its no skin off my nose, as I shall obviously visit when I like to get answers to my questions - As I have been doing for the past month or so...

 

[bernardgreen]

I know this is going to sound rude, but there really is no other way to say it... What part of "And after every test possible, everything works fine" do you find hard to understand?

One possible test is as follows. One siren in direct sunlight and very warm. the other siren on the other side of the house and significantly colder. Or simulated in the work shop with a fan heater and ice packs

Reason for this extreme test.

It is possible the delay before the siren bleeps is due to packet collisions repeatedly occuring until random timing differences between the siren's internal workings allow for a sucessful transmit and acknowledgement to occur. The random timing differences may be affected by the temperature of the electronic components in the sirens.

I fully accept this is a DIY forum and sensible help, advice and warnings to DIYers is a valuable asset.

What concerns me and others is when, based only on some experience of sucessfully installing equipment, a person gives advice that is directly contradictory to the instructions that the manufacturers have produced for the equipment they designed and of which they have in depth knowledge and experience.

 

[djrock]

What concerns me and others is when, based only on some experience of sucessfully installing equipment, a person gives advice that is directly contradictory to the instructions that the manufacturers have produced for the equipment they designed and of which they have in depth knowledge and experience.

QFA

 

[ahdsh]

At the end of the day this guyhad bought a 6200 system and an extra siren and then asked how he could get the extra siren working.
I told him that Yale say it can't be done but that there was a workaround.
The workaround has worked.
All that has happened is that when a signal is sent from the keypad or a sensor the signal is received by both sirens as they all devices have been programmed into both systems.

I don't actually think packet collisions are the problem as all the systems I have fitted have worked fine.. The problem may be that when a sensor sends a signal. The siren sends back a confirmation and then the sensor stops transmitting the tamper or intruder signal. If there was inteference that prevented one of the sirens getting the signal but the other did then the second siren would fail to receive that signal.
Its no big deal as a failure as at least one siren has got the message and sounded and considering 90% of all alarms only have one working external sounder then you are no worse off really than anybody else.
The worst scenario is when disarming when one siren may disarm and if the signal to the other was spoiled then it would stay armed. You would then have to reenter your code as the systen 'false' alarmed.
If I had a 6200 sytem in my own home I would be happy to fit , in fact I would prefer to fit 2 sirens as there is no internal countdown ticker.
Having a second siren internally allows you to definately hear the set/undet beeps and have a very loud noise to scare intruders out.

 

[LordBlack]

Thank you Bernard – for your constructive comments, the temperature test is something I can look into doing when I have the time. I take your points on board and it hasn’t gone unnoticed that your comments are often perfectly valid (thinking of previous threads created by fastalarms)

It’s just a shame the answers you receive are also often caught up in a hale of abuse from other forum members… Who don’t quite share your ability to take an adult view.

…. A perfect example of this follows…

QFA

 

[Atilla]

Have to say, this is one strange thread. For the life in me i cannot see the purpose of the original post other than self promotion.
Very strange.

 

[ahdsh]

Have to say, this is one strange thread. For the life in me i cannot see the purpose of the original post other than self promotion.
Very strange.

Think harder!!
Then you might realise I am giving free advice although I really don't know why I bother.

Thankfully the person who emailed me for advice was happy for the advice so I posted it on here for the benefit of others.

I was emailed because the person asking the question thought if he asked through the forum his thread would suffer a load of abuse..

well waddya know?

Who'd have thought that giving advice on DIY on a DIY forum designed to give advice to DIYers would allways keep ending up as a slanging match.

Pretty pathetic really and on the subject of all the so called EXPERTS on these forums . . not one of you has anywhere near the same experience of Yale alarms as myself so to be quite honest I am more than justified in telling you all you don't know what you are talking about.
If anyone would actually like to fit a yale alarm on their test rig and report back I would be more than happy to discuss the results.

 

[LordBlack]

Have to say, this is one strange thread. For the life in me i cannot see the purpose of the original post other than self promotion.
Very strange.

If that was the case, I'm sure the moderators would have made themselves known by now...

 

[Atilla]

Have to say, this is one strange thread. For the life in me i cannot see the purpose of the original post other than self promotion.
Very strange.

If that was the case, I'm sure the moderators would have made themselves known by now...

Not really, it was one of the more subtle attempts.