Yale 6400 'What if' control panel loses ALL power?

[bernardgreen]

In your scenario are you saying the control panel was dead and that the internal battery was also dead?

I removed mains ( total rewire of house ) and the panel on its standby battery sounded to say no power, reset it to silence it and then some time later it repeated the no power alarm so I dis-connected the panel's battery which removed the "all OK" 12 volt to the siren which went off on it's own internal battery until that too was disconnected,

It would already have activated when the power and internal battery had gone dead. This is the usual scenario when there is a power cut and everyones alarm activates because the internal battery hasn't been replaced.

Because there is no 12 volts to send the siren telling it NOT to sound it will sound. This ensures the siren will sound if the wire to it is cut in the hope of silencing it.

How does a Yale system get the siren to sound if the control panel has no power to send a transmission to the siren telling it the panel is no longer able to function.

 

[Alarm]

~Passes shovel.........................

Not two way comms is it.

 

[yaleguy3]

How does a Yale system get the siren to sound if the control panel has no power to send a transmission to the siren telling it the panel is no longer able to function.

Why would it want to?

The fact that current wired systems fire off and annoy the neighbours is simply because of the way they were designed.
This only encourages people to ignore false alarms.
In reality they would be better if they stayed silent and therefore not alerting everyone that their back up panel batteries have failed.
If it's a bells only system the homeowner would not know the siren had gone off from behind his work desk would he?

The user of a yale system would know the power had gone down in their absence because either A: The power would be still out when they returned home or B: They would return to a fault light and a log saying 'ac power failure'
Ironically the lesser battery only system trumps all other alarms in a power out scenario as they continue to work as normal.
In fact I have often toyed with the idea of installing a hybrid system of a 6200 and 6400 combined meaning power outs wont prevent a normal intruder response.

As you know in the std wired bells only power out scenario with a flat panel battery once the siren has worn out it's battery it will be completely innefective.

 

[Alarm]

So what your trying to say is a mains fed system with a stand by battery will fail in a power cut?

Blimey, you have changed the laws of physics,

Guess what "Standby" means.
So what "special" feature does a Yale have in this respect?

Again you show a lack of understanding of real systems. Make statements that are false and claim a pack of c cells are a decent back up.

Hey, do you not say on You Tube " It is easy to tell when the battery is faulty on a Yale as you cannot disarm it when they are low?"

I can put up the link if you like and the other one with you making out your fitting a "prestige" system, and the comments made by other "professional" installers about you fitting items not worthy of a garden shed.

Keep digging, this gets funnier and funnier.

 

[yaleguy3]

So what your trying to say is a mains fed system with a stand by battery will fail in a power cut?

Didn't say that at all read it again until you actually understand what I wrote.

We are talking about a scenario where the mains fails and the internal battery is also goosed..

How does it standby then 'Einstien'?

as for the rest of the pap you scribbled CBA

 

[Alarm]

I CAB to read your drivel anymore.
You make out your fitting good kit.

Here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMNO9e-cO-A

This guy is just basically sticking contacts on screwing in a keypad and hooking up the bell box in about 10 mins. Rip off. Before you start saying I don't know what I am talking about I have 32 years experience in the security industry installing alarms and cctv on banks , jewellers ,schools and I am a preferred company on various restaurants and fast food chains. I have 312 employees you are a one man band cash in hand job. Send me a message mate and I will discuss my concerns with you.

Can I just warn everyone as this video has 8,000 view. This is not a professional alarm. This an £80 alarm from screwfix that I wouldn't even install on a caravan. Burglars see a yale bell box and laugh at it especially as the siren is only 103db and would hardly be heard from the pavement on a busy road and even worse the system has no strobe. Buying one of these alarms is wrong and if you insist on a cheap wire free alarm then buy it yourself for £80 and peel and stick the detectors yourself.

I think that sums it all up in a nutshell.

 

[alumni]

Why would it want to?

The fact that current wired systems fire off and annoy the neighbours is simply because of the way they were designed.
This only encourages people to ignore false alarms.
In reality they would be better if they stayed silent and therefore not alerting everyone that their back up panel batteries have failed.
If it's a bells only system the homeowner would not know the siren had gone off from behind his work desk would he?

The user of a yale system would know the power had gone down in their absence because either A: The power would be still out when they returned home or B: They would return to a fault light and a log saying 'ac power failure'
Ironically the lesser battery only system trumps all other alarms in a power out scenario as they continue to work as normal.
In fact I have often toyed with the idea of installing a hybrid system of a 6200 and 6400 combined meaning power outs wont prevent a normal intruder response.

As you know in the std wired bells only power out scenario with a flat panel battery once the siren has worn out it's battery it will be completely innefective.

It is still clear to all that you patently have not got any idea on security systems and correct system processes.
Please stop trying to defend the indefensible.

From previous posts you claim to have only basic PL insurance. Now we can all see why?

 

[alumni]

I CAB to read your drivel anymore.
You make out your fitting good kit.

I think that sums it all up in a nutshell.

And whilst you're onto quotes i think this old one of his clarifies his ill informed comments.

"If I could just fit professional alarms instead of the YALE then I would but the infrastructure isn't there yet.
I don't want to be that Cowboy who fits stuff and rips people off but I can't do it by the book either."

 

[Alarm]

Funny that, the infrastructure is there for any to take up.
Provided they can qualify that is.

 

[yaleguy3]

I CAB to read your drivel anymore.
You make out your fitting good kit.

Here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMNO9e-cO-A

This guy is just basically sticking contacts on screwing in a keypad and hooking up the bell box in about 10 mins. Rip off. Before you start saying I don't know what I am talking about I have 32 years experience in the security industry installing alarms and cctv on banks , jewellers ,schools and I am a preferred company on various restaurants and fast food chains. I have 312 employees you are a one man band cash in hand job. Send me a message mate and I will discuss my concerns with you.

Can I just warn everyone as this video has 8,000 view. This is not a professional alarm. This an £80 alarm from screwfix that I wouldn't even install on a caravan. Burglars see a yale bell box and laugh at it especially as the siren is only 103db and would hardly be heard from the pavement on a busy road and even worse the system has no strobe. Buying one of these alarms is wrong and if you insist on a cheap wire free alarm then buy it yourself for £80 and peel and stick the detectors yourself.

I think that sums it all up in a nutshell.

That sums nothing up you plank it's just yet another pro installer throwing his dummy out.
Quite an ignorant post too full of innacuracies . . jeez

 

[Alarm]

No denial.
Did anyone notice that?
And not my words, a quote on your post on You Tube.
By another.

As before it sums you up.

By all means do what you do, but stop attempting to make out you know anything about serious equipment, and comparing what you fit to them.

 

[yaleguy3]

No denial.
Did anyone notice that?
And not my words, a quote on your post on You Tube.
By another.

As before it sums you up.

By all means do what you do, but stop attempting to make out you know anything about serious equipment, and comparing what you fit to them.

Ok very very simple question since the thread started out by asking about what happened in a power cut.

If for arguments sake a house was protected by an alarm and the occupants go on a two week holiday.
While they are away there is a major power outage that takes two days to fix (These things do happen - floods - fallen trees etc)

Which alarm would maintain its protection throughout the two days?

A pro installed wired system or a battery powered wireless system.

Don't scratch your head too much the answer is simple and it't not the pro system.

 

[Alarm]

This again shows how little you know.

I had better find you a bigger shovel.

 

[yaleguy3]

By all means do what you do, but stop attempting to make out you know anything about serious equipment, and comparing what you fit to them.

I'm only pointing out the FACTS in a power outage scenario. No need to get upset - this subject seems to have touched a nerve.

 

[yaleguy3]

This again shows how little you know.

I had better find you a bigger shovel.

So are you actually saying that in a 48hr power outage a pro installed bells onlywired system would continue to work?
Are you denying the internal battery would drain and when dead would then activate the sab that would in turn drain until the system was no longer operative?

If I am wrong then please explain what would actually happen.