Farmers on the march

Notch7 · 2024-11-21T07:19:42+0000

ReganAndCarter said:
Cut our cloth

Why?

Most other Western countries have far better standards of living for the vast majority.

The reason is because of wealth inequality

8 million people on NHS waiting lists is what we should accept, we must “cut our cloth”

ReganAndCarter said:
No more housing thousands of foreign men in 4* luxury

Nobody here invited them to come here by small boat.

As yet you’ve provided no solution to solving the issue.

fillyboy · 2024-11-21T08:01:17+0000

BBC under fire after fact-checkers delete claim backing Labour in farm tax row

The Tories hit out at the BBC after a piece with claims about the number of farms affected was amended.

www.express.co.uk

The BBC's fact-checking service has come under scrutiny after it deleted a statement backing Labour's claims in their inheritance tax raid on farmers.

The BBC's fact-checking service has come under scrutiny after it deleted a statement backing Labour's claims in their inheritance tax raid on farmers.

BBC Verify said the Government's figures about the number of farms affected by the policy were "likely" to be right.

But the corporation has since deleted its backing of the claim that only 500 farms a year will be affected by the policy from its website amid a bias row after Sir Keir Starmer trumpeted the BBC piece.

Shadow culture secretary Stuart Andrew told the Daily Mail: "Taxpayers pay for the BBC to interrogate facts, not mindlessly parrot Government lines.

"These are highly contested statistics on a policy which may have a profound impact on prices in the shops, Britain's food security and rural life.

motorbiking · 2024-11-21T08:51:13+0000

Yes. The highly educated bbc also made the mistake of forgetting to convert hectares to acres when working out values.

motorbiking · 2024-11-21T08:52:21+0000

JohnD said:
It's possible that there will not be as many ruined farmers as Clarkson pretends.

Instead, there will be fewer billionaires dodging tax by pretending to be hereditary farmers.

It’s possible you might do some research and educate yourself. Unlikely though.

motorbiking · 2024-11-21T08:55:11+0000

JohnD said:
If @pcaouolte chooses to show me his accounting records, and I carry out some site visits and interviews, I could probably get quite a good idea.

Make a note to ask your accountant to tell you what "profit" means.

Write down the ten most popular examples.

I will ignore the possibility that your question was serious, because it it so ludicrous for you to pretend that profits can't be manipulated.

So no evidence then. Just more gum flapping about millionaires dodging tax.

blup · 2024-11-21T09:47:30+0000

motorbiking said:
Yes. The highly educated bbc also made the mistake of forgetting to convert hectares to acres when working out values.

Its what you get when the bbc employs armies of autocue readers and media study graduates, and dismantles its once respected foreign correspondent network.

fillyboy said:
BBC under fire after fact-checkers delete claim backing Labour in farm tax row

The Tories hit out at the BBC after a piece with claims about the number of farms affected was amended.

www.express.co.uk

The BBC's fact-checking service has come under scrutiny after it deleted a statement backing Labour's claims in their inheritance tax raid on farmers.

The BBC's fact-checking service has come under scrutiny after it deleted a statement backing Labour's claims in their inheritance tax raid on farmers.

BBC Verify said the Government's figures about the number of farms affected by the policy were "likely" to be right.

But the corporation has since deleted its backing of the claim that only 500 farms a year will be affected by the policy from its website amid a bias row after Sir Keir Starmer trumpeted the BBC piece.

Shadow culture secretary Stuart Andrew told the Daily Mail: "Taxpayers pay for the BBC to interrogate facts, not mindlessly parrot Government lines.

"These are highly contested statistics on a policy which may have a profound impact on prices in the shops, Britain's food security and rural life.

The Daily Fail fact checking the Beeb is a red flag in itself. This is more balanced:

Changes to inheritance tax - frequently asked questions • CLA

The changes to inheritance tax announced in the 2024 Autumn Budget have created more questions than answers. Read our simple break down of how you can navigate the changes

www.cla.org.uk

To quote:
“Even at the lowest estimate, Steve Reed is saying 500 farms a year will be affected by this change. This will still be over 20,000 farms impacted by the caps over a generation (40 years.)”

The bbc should grow a pair and resist right wing media weaponising information.

ajohn · 2024-11-21T09:58:55+0000

C4 backed the govs claim as well but pointed out that the missing element was how much farmers actually earn. They used the same valuation survey that the gov did. Also worked one case out. Single owner so question was how affordable £1xk for 10 years was.

can't remember the x value.

They gave shadow lady a bit of a hard time. She wouldn't accept the valuations.

motorbiking · 2024-11-21T10:08:20+0000

A lot of sales are not via open market, so the valuations are unlikely to be anything more than an estimate.

Sounds like it will create a whole industry of farm surveyors carrying out pointless assessments, like we have with EPC certification companies on house sales.

The government are focusing on the small number impacted each year, missing the point that around 25-35% have a rope around their necks and this will increase as values rise.

Anyone arguing they are millionaires getting tax breaks. Needs to consider that the asset value is meaningless if you simply can’t ever sell.

Much better to defer the tax until point of sale. This would force out the investors and avoid punishing genuine farmers.

ajohn · 2024-11-21T10:12:17+0000

motorbiking said:
Much better to defer the tax until point of sale. This would force out the investors and avoid punishing genuine farmers.

But land prices would continue to escalate.

fillyboy · 2024-11-21T10:19:59+0000

ajohn said:
But land prices would continue to escalate.

Yes, apparently they've stopped making it.

motorbiking · 2024-11-21T10:59:51+0000

ajohn said:
But land prices would continue to escalate.

The tax becomes a charge on the land. Allowing it to pass from generation to generations but become due when sold other than via inheritance. of course the big loss for the government is the reoccurring revenue that occurs say every 20 years. But they have got so much hopelessly wrong with the budget, they need to realise that the plans will cause UK farmers to sell to PE firms.

I personally wouldn't want our farms to be under mega farm inc, or owned by the Canadian teachers pension fund. Farming is critical national infrastructure.

ReganAndCarter · 2024-11-21T12:31:43+0000

Notch7 said:
Why?

Most other Western countries have far better standards of living for the vast majority.

The reason is because of wealth inequality

8 million people on NHS waiting lists is what we should accept, we must “cut our cloth”

Unfortunately, as a country, we can no longer afford ourselves. Least not the way we have been going.

However, going after pensioners and the people who put food on our tables isn't the way.

denso13 · 2024-11-21T12:36:10+0000

ReganAndCarter said:
However, going after pensioners and the people who put food on our tables isn't the way.

They aren't "going after" anyone. They are making political decisions on how to repair the mess they were left with.

Of course the Tory lapdogs won't be happy that they aren't doing what they want. That's how it works. Vote them out next time.

ReganAndCarter · 2024-11-21T12:36:24+0000

Notch7 said:
Nobody here invited them to come here by small boat.

As yet you’ve provided no solution to solving the issue.

In the highly unlikely event of me being in power, I could stop it overnight. It probably wouldn't be acceptable to many though, especially Nosey.

We are an island nation. Nothing is easier, especially with modern technology, than stopping invaders landing or even getting close. Unless they don't really want to stop them.

As for inviting - technically we don't invite them. However putting them up long term in 4* luxutry with 3 meals per day, spending money, free, healthcare, free dentistry, free bicycles - and little chance of them ever being returned hometo France - might just as well put out the welcome mat.

ReganAndCarter · 2024-11-21T12:37:42+0000

denso13 said:
They aren't "going after" anyone.

Yes they are. Targetting those groups who don't usually vote Labour - while giving large pay increases to their unionised target audience.

Farmers on the march

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