15 Minute Cities

[carmanmemoranda]

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I have a gut feeling the poll on the thread is all the evidence needed.

22 people? ok

 

[Justin Passing]

Sounds like one of those ideas which appears to have some attractive merits, but drops to bits when you ask a few "what-if"s.
Is there one of these systems working well anywhere? I doubt it.

 

[denso13]

but drops to bits when you ask a few "what-if"s.

Like what?

Google translate does a good job on the first one.

Ejes verdes y plazas de l'Eixample

Grandes espacios dedicados al vecindario, con nuevas zonas de estancia, juegos infantiles y mobiliario urbano, donde el verde será el protagonista. Así serán los nueces ejes verdes y plazas del Eixample.

www.barcelona.cat

Barcelona Superblock | Barcelona City Council

El model Superilla Barcelona transforma la ciutat per fer-la més resilient, sostenible i inclusiva. És una nova manera de fer urbanisme que posa la vida veïnal al centre, protegeix el comerç de proximitat i opta per la mobilitat sostenible.

www.barcelona.cat

 

[Odds]

In Thetford they arranged a meeting in the local park with the council but the council knocked it back on health and safety grounds.The old health and safety card eh.
A local farmer said they could hold a what turned out a weil attended meeting in one of his fields, needless to say the council couldn't attend.
It turned out fruitful though as one of the campaigners got voted onto the council in the local council elections held in May.
Enemy within if you like.

One council makes not a country. I've heard of nationwide protest movement towards this proposal for cities and towns that are cleaner, less crowded with traffic and convenient for people to shop around...and you can link in to the scanned goods for easier shopping too. The future is a wi-fi friendly area for your vehicle to get around without the hassle of driving it. All automated you, see, old boy.
Think of this in the same light as the early 20th century, as cars became more prevalent and horses were freed from the drudgery of pulling our commerce and carrying people about for a living. There's a silver lining to this cloud you keep pulling over the proposals.

 

[Odds]

I have a gut feeling the poll on the thread is all the evidence needed.

I sense you've skewed the poll towards a verdict without really giving a xxxx.

 

[gant]

One council makes not a country. I've heard of nationwide protest movement towards this proposal for cities and towns that are cleaner, less crowded with traffic and convenient for people to shop around...and you can link in to the scanned goods for easier shopping too. The future is a wi-fi friendly area for your vehicle to get around without the hassle of driving it. All automated you, see, old boy.
Think of this in the same light as the early 20th century, as cars became more prevalent and horses were freed from the drudgery of pulling our commerce and carrying people about for a living. There's a silver lining to this cloud you keep pulling over the proposals.

You mean like winners and losers riding on the silver cloud, bit like it always was and always will be then.
Seems youv e not factored in we need to go back to sackcloth and ashes to save the planet allegedly.

 

[fillyboy]

I sense you've skewed the poll towards a verdict without really giving a xxxx.

It's a small 'sample' I agree, but a sample nonetheless, and it's a good direct question: 'are they a good idea', unlike Denso's preferred question 'would you like a doctors surgery nearer to your home?'

'Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? '. That's another good question, direct and to the point, no room for misinterpretation.

 

[Justin Passing]

Like what?

Google translate does a good job on the first one.

Ejes verdes y plazas de l'Eixample

Grandes espacios dedicados al vecindario, con nuevas zonas de estancia, juegos infantiles y mobiliario urbano, donde el verde será el protagonista. Así serán los nueces ejes verdes y plazas del Eixample.

www.barcelona.cat

Barcelona Superblock | Barcelona City Council

El model Superilla Barcelona transforma la ciutat per fer-la més resilient, sostenible i inclusiva. És una nova manera de fer urbanisme que posa la vida veïnal al centre, protegeix el comerç de proximitat i opta per la mobilitat sostenible.

www.barcelona.cat

Well La Rambla looks like what we'd call a "pedestrianised street". The parallel roads are open so not much difficulty. Much of the city is litttle square blocks, muchly one ways like NY.

What if it rains. People won't want to walk.
What if you have disabled people who have blue badges? In the Oxford scheme they and many other excepted groups such as carers will be driving around. Some use diesels, as do HGVs, also permitted. Like Ocado vans.
What if those who are in that tiny victimised group, "ordinary people" want to now what benefit the scheme is supposed to confer, with so many other vehicles buzzing about.? And destroy the cameras...

 

[denso13]

we need to go back to sackcloth and ashes to save the planet allegedly.

Why do you say things like that?

 

[denso13]

What if it rains. People won't want to walk.
What if you have disabled people who have blue badges? In the Oxford scheme they and many other excepted groups such as carers will be driving around. Some use diesels, as do HGVs, also permitted. Like Ocado vans.
What if those who are in that tiny victimised group, "ordinary people" want to now what benefit the scheme is supposed to confer, with so many other vehicles buzzing about.? And destroy the cameras...

I honestly don't know how often I have to say this. Those issues are about Oxford's traffic scheme, not the 15 min city concept.

 

[Brigadier]

Well La Rambla looks like what we'd call a "pedestrianised street". The parallel roads are open so not much difficulty. Much of the city is litttle square blocks, muchly one ways like NY.

What if it rains. People won't want to walk.
What if you have disabled people who have blue badges? In the Oxford scheme they and many other excepted groups such as carers will be driving around. Some use diesels, as do HGVs, also permitted. Like Ocado vans.
What if those who are in that tiny victimised group, "ordinary people" want to now what benefit the scheme is supposed to confer, with so many other vehicles buzzing about.? And destroy the cameras...

Like the Lockdown; so many exemptions, it watered it down so much as to be futile in some settings.

 

[denso13]

unlike Denso's preferred question 'would you like a doctors surgery nearer to your home?'

Would you like services closer to where you need them? No one else seems to have a view.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

I honestly don't know how often I have to say this. Those issues are about Oxford's traffic scheme, not the 15 min city concept.

Liar.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Would you like services closer to where you need them? No one else seems to have a view.

He was very happy about all Boris' new hospitals.

 

[denso13]

Liar.

Apology accepted.

"The conspiracy theories took off late last year in the United Kingdom, as the concept was conflated with an effort to impose new traffic restrictions to ease congestion in and around the famous university community of Oxford. The county government of Oxfordshire approved a system of “traffic filters” for six busy roads on which drivers will need a special permit to travel during daytime hours. But Tony Ecclestone, spokesperson for the Oxford City Council, said the county’s initiative is separate from the council’s endorsement of the 15-minute cities concept, which is a key part of a city planning document it’s developing."

FACT FOCUS: Conspiracies misconstrue ‘15-minute city’ idea

Conservatives and conspiracy theorists are increasingly convinced the concept of a “15-minute city” is the latest nefarious plot to curtail individual freedoms.

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