15 Minute Cities

[denso13]

it seems quite obvious to me you'll not have the freedom to drive when and where you want.

It might seem obvious to you but that has nothing to do with 15 minute city proposals.

You may have a gut feeling that the initial concepts will lead to that but don't conflate different issues and come to the wrong conclusion. It'll just get you to things like "Bill Gates", who has already been mentioned on this very thread.

it wouldn't take long for you to become a "transgressor" if your a keen angler.

There is no "transgression". There is absolutely nothing in the 15 minute city proposals which limits travel in any way.

Denso never admits there's any downsides and when these are pointed goes into trip you up spoiler mode.

There is no "trip you up" mode. What is concerning about this statement?

"A 15-minute city offers amenities that residents want and need locally. It does not require us to use them. Residents who want to travel longer distances for any reason, by car or other means, are free to do so – but travel is a choice, not a necessity. A 15-minute city gives back the time lost travelling to reach basic services such as grocery shops, schools, recreation and healthcare facilities, giving us more choice over how and where we spend our time. A 15-minute city strategy also makes walking, riding and public transport easier and more accessible, providing more options for how we travel across the city."

C40 Knowledge Community

www.c40knowledgehub.org

Do you think "it says that, but I just don't believe it"? That would be one view. But don't pretend they are proposing things which they are not.

 

[noseall]

you'll not have the freedom to drive when and where you want.

Surely this happens in cities now in any case. Just hop into summat electric or pay the congestion/emissions fee.

 

[denso13]

Denso never admits there's any downsides and when these are pointed

What downsides? Sticking to 15 minute cities if you can.

 

[denso13]

if these 15 minute cities get the green light

They are already in use. And no one is trapped...

 

[JonathanM]

One of our regular tradesmen is a really nice guy, but he's also a bit of a conspiracy nut. He first told me about 15 minute cities about three months ago. I didn't really pay much attention. Anyway, I've had a quick Google, and found this article on Bloomberg, which discusses how two completely different ideas got mixed up with each other and then intertangled with experiences from COVID lockdowns:

It’s also important to know that the UK’s wave of 15-minute-city protest employs a very fundamental misunderstanding of the concept.

The term doesn’t describe a discrete area with barriers — it’s a planning approach that tries to ensure that schools, health-care facilities, parks and other amenities are spread equitably across neighborhoods, limiting the need for lengthy commutes and expanding job access.

Conflating walkability with a dystopian future of surveillance and oppression takes some work, but in recent weeks the term managed to get sucked into a maelstrom of British conspiracy theories.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...city-get-tangled-up-in-a-far-right-conspiracy

 

[gant]

All I can say is you soak it all up like a sponge and therefore having given no downsides there's no debate to be had between the pair of you.
As for the congestion charge is in place,
was this from bottom up or top down as in "your having it" bit like a lot of legislation that becomes law in these seemingly dictatorial times.

 

[gant]

One of our regular tradesmen is a really nice guy, but he's also a bit of a conspiracy nut. He first told me about 15 minute cities about three months ago. I didn't really pay much attention. Anyway, I've had a quick Google, and found this article on Bloomberg, which discusses how two completely different ideas got mixed up with each other and then intertangled with experiences from COVID lockdowns:







https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...city-get-tangled-up-in-a-far-right-conspiracy

Think it's easy to weave a tangled web when you have competing forces in play.....15 minute cities, nett zero, millions paid to stay at home.

 

[gant]

There's a back story to all this as in if you believe we're on the edge of climate change ending the world or it's being over egged. Which obviously sways your opinion.

 

[denso13]

in these seemingly dictatorial times

Your scepticism isn't new, there have been conspiracy theories for everything from Aspirin to 5g to lizard people for hundreds of years. It's human nature in some, but that doesn't make it right.

 

[gant]

Your scepticism isn't new, there have been conspiracy theories for everything from Aspirin to 5g to lizard people for hundreds of years. It's human nature in some, but that doesn't make it right.

Nor does believing climate change calls for draconian measures.
See how your quick to go down the spoiler track at the first sign of being in unknown territory and have to go back to your what you think are failsafe arguments.

 

[denso13]

Not does believing climate change calls for draconian.

I don't know what that means.

See how your quick to go down the spoiler track at the first sign of being in unknown territory and have to go back to your what you think are failsafe arguments.

It's true. If you want to believe that climate scientists are lying/in the pockets of governments then fine. Just don't pretend it is anything other than a gut feeling.

 

[gant]

When all else fails to convince (regardless of the fact censorship of the internet skews the actual "facts") pull the gut feeling card. Lol

 

[denso13]

regardless of the fact censorship of the internet skews the actual "facts"

I forgot about that one. You can't show any evidence for your beliefs because it has all been censored. That's a good one...

 

[denso13]

When all else fails to convince

You never, ever, try to convince anyone of anything. It's all snide comments and put downs. If you ask me why I believe certain things I'll post the facts, like the 15 minute city truths.

You, on the other hand, have nothing to show for anything.

 

[gant]

I can see why you'd say that.