4 reactors on fire!!!

[ColJack]

htgeng - They have a big tank of water on gravity feed, presumably, but a massive earthquake, and a huge wave of water has wiped it out, what is your next suggestion? Huge Dams hve been destroyed, so a pump feeding a cooler is small fry.

Build the nuclear plants below sea level near the shore so that they can simply open a couple of very large valves and flood the reactor in minutes?

build them actually underwater off shore, or on platforms? explosives to flood or drop it into the ocean..

build a "drop pit" under the reactor made from the dampening material so that they can drop every other rod into it to reduce / stop the runaway reaction fast?
The drop pit would be a large mass of the control rod material with holes for the rods..

build reactors with extra control rods that are ballistically propelled into the reactor when needed to stop the reaction..

 

[Norcon]

The risk of flooding would be too great Coljack and also the risk of pollution to the ocean is greatly increased.

Back to the drawing board.

 

[libby lou lou]

The risk of flooding would be too great Coljack and also the risk of pollution to the ocean is greatly increased.

Back to the drawing board.

So true, but where is the salt water(that's screwing the sysystem up) going to?, Back in the sea,20- 30 yrs from now, i can tell you the results, you reap what you sow.

No Emergency encasement?????



Can't wait to back to the bow n arrow days.

 

[nickso]

the "reaction" was stopped the very minute the earthquake started. the problem has been cooling it afterwards to contain the leftovers from the reaction.

the problems of electricity supply and reliable generators and pumps are the problems that need solving.

 

[Monkeh]

the "reaction" was stopped the very minute the earthquake started. the problem has been cooling it afterwards to contain the leftovers from the reaction.

the problems of electricity supply and reliable generators and pumps are the problems that need solving.

The reaction looks likely to resume shortly if they don't get things under control..

 

[nickso]

the "reaction" was stopped the very minute the earthquake started. the problem has been cooling it afterwards to contain the leftovers from the reaction.

the problems of electricity supply and reliable generators and pumps are the problems that need solving.

The reaction looks likely to resume shortly if they don't get things under control..

yes i should have said cooling was the initial problem. if the rods are exposed with no cooling then it's chernobyl all over again and they might was well fill it with boric acid and concrete over and under it. then all they need to do is figure out what the hell to do with it in 20 years time when the case starts falling apart.....much the same as they are doing now with chernobyl.

 

[libby lou lou]

While the rods are cooled, things are "okayish". The rods are being cooled by sea water, which i believe is a no no for a reusable nuclear hut.
But the waste is back in the sea, not recycled.

Anyway, no fly zone now, so i'm..........

 

[imamartian]

htgeng - They have a big tank of water on gravity feed, presumably, but a massive earthquake, and a huge wave of water has wiped it out, what is your next suggestion? Huge Dams hve been destroyed, so a pump feeding a cooler is small fry.

Build the nuclear plants below sea level near the shore so that they can simply open a couple of very large valves and flood the reactor in minutes?

build them actually underwater off shore, or on platforms? explosives to flood or drop it into the ocean..

build a "drop pit" under the reactor made from the dampening material so that they can drop every other rod into it to reduce / stop the runaway reaction fast?
The drop pit would be a large mass of the control rod material with holes for the rods..

build reactors with extra control rods that are ballistically propelled into the reactor when needed to stop the reaction..

love it...!! the whole thought process is great !!

BUt as mentioned, our ocean is quite precious !!! so why no build it above a vat of liquid nitrogen? a guy 20 miles away coudf hit the button and freeze the lot !!!! great plan !!

 

[nickso]

my pie in the sky suggestion is to mount the reactor above a very large space rocket. if the **** hits the fan it can be ejected into space......job done.

 

[wreckedit]

But if you have an Earthquake, and then a flood, you are being challenged. Not stupid.

The thing is the engineers new exactly what the challengers where and failed miserably. Although we have only seen the site from the air it looks like it's been built like a holiday village. All square buildings that with a bit of engineering could have been made to withstand a wave as the result of an earthquake. It was obviously built on the cheap with the usual arrogant ignorant aplomb the Japanese have a tendency to do at times.

Also, take a look at the stupid efforts with the helicopters dumping water on the site now. Unfortunately the news and some experts are pulling the wool over are eyes. Because there is no way that water from that height is going to cool fuel rods in a near container or fill up tanks that are incapable of being pumped. What it is for is to stop contaminating clouds of radiation escaping from the area. Something a good deluge of rain would achieve.They are telling the public otherwise because its the Japanese way of doing things.

I'll restate that the Japanese engineers and their managers can be completely and utterly stupid at times.

Just watch out for the way the owners/engineers are dealt with when this is all, if every sorted out.

 

[EddieM]

my pie in the sky suggestion is to mount the reactor above a very large space rocket. if the s**t hits the fan it can be ejected into space......job done.

That's against international law. WRT to sea water being used to cool the depleted rods, it is important to note the rods are still in their casings, hence the coolant doesn't become radioactive and can be "recycled"

 

[Nige F]

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Can't wait to back to the bow n arrow days.

In Sherwood forest

 

[Nige F]

[I'll restate that the Japanese engineers and their managers can be completely and utterly stupid at times.

out.

Yeah some of their bikes were utter c-rap

 

[HH1]

bet it don't happen again

Bet it DOES !
sometime, somewhere, perhaps not exactly the same as this one but...
Also, not hearing a lot about other reactors hit by the crisis - how are they doing?

Build the nuclear plants below sea level near the shore so that they can simply open a couple of very large valves and flood the reactor in minutes?

We have a nuclear engineer in our midst. Luv the idea. Open/close valve as necessary to keep them cool. Way much better than present situation. Nice and easy to fill a big pit with concrete too when the time comes

The thing is the engineers new exactly what the challengers where and failed miserably. Although we have only seen the site from the air it looks like it's been built like a holiday village. All square buildings that with a bit of engineering could have been made to withstand a wave as the result of an earthquake. It was obviously built on the cheap with the usual arrogant ignorant aplomb the Japanese have a tendency to do at times.

Also, take a look at the stupid efforts with the helicopters dumping water on the site now. Unfortunately the news and some experts are pulling the wool over are eyes. Because there is no way that water from that height is going to cool fuel rods in a near container or fill up tanks that are incapable of being pumped. What it is for is to stop contaminating clouds of radiation escaping from the area. Something a good deluge of rain would achieve.They are telling the public otherwise because its the Japanese way of doing things.

I'll restate that the Japanese engineers and their managers can be completely and utterly stupid at times.

Just watch out for the way the owners/engineers are dealt with when this is all, if every sorted out.

Can't we get a thumbs up on this forum ? anyway "Thumbs Up"

Need to go take my pills now.

 

[ColJack]

the flooding of the reactor with sea water is obviously a last choice option in case of emergency as it screws the reactor up beyond repair, but at the moment it's lost anyway..

if the reaction has stopped, then why are the rods still heating up?
they only get hot when the reaction is happening..