A&E Waiting time target likely to be scrapped

[SirGalahad]

It begins. You can't fail to meet a target when there is no target in the first place.

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"These targets used to met. Then occasionally they were broken. Then occasionally they were met. Then they became an aspiration. Then they became an impossibility. Then they ceased to exist."

https://www.theguardian.com/society...emergency-nhs-waiting-targets-likely-scrapped

Matt Hancock has signalled that four-hour waiting targets for A&E are likely to be scrapped for the NHS in England after the worst figures on record this winter.

In December, hospital-based A&Es only managed to treat and then admit, transfer or discharge 68.6% of arrivals within four hours. That was the smallest proportion in any month since the target was created in 2004 and the first time performance has slipped below 70%.

Last year, Dr Taj Hassan, the president of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine, said: “In our expert opinion scrapping the four-hour target will have a near-catastrophic impact on patient safety in many emergency departments that are already struggling to deliver safe patient care in a wider system that is failing badly.”

Now what do clinicicans know? Bloody experts.

Death Cult.

 

[ellal]

It begins. You can't fail to meet a target when there is no target in the first place.

Ergo you can't have workers rights when those rights have been removed...

Except of course if you are an MP and you then get more money for doing less!

 

[Ihavenojob]

What are the targets for ? Hitting targets in any job can cause anxiety and stress, makes people rush and possibly cut corners,make mistakes, which in a lot of jobs may not matter much, but in A&E departments could be the difference between life and death. Maybe removing targets will help, maybe it won't.

 

[SirGalahad]

What are the targets for ? Hitting targets in any job can cause anxiety and stress, makes people rush and possibly cut corners,make mistakes, which in a lot of jobs may not matter much, but in A&E departments could be the difference between life and death. Maybe removing targets will help, maybe it won't.

Medics disagree but you obviously know better.
What next will you justify?
Death Cult.

If you get cancer hope you are happy waiting 12 weeks.

 

[transam]

do they treat cancer in A&E ?

 

[Ihavenojob]

Medics disagree but you obviously know better.
What next will you justify?
Death Cult.

If you get cancer hope you are happy waiting 12 weeks.

We're talking about A&E , not cancer units, though you probably couldn't understand that, even though you started the thread,What a mo ng!

 

[ironsidebod]

Where do you think people with long term cancer end up when something goes wrong of an evening? Clue: They don't wait until the following Monday during office hours.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Where do you think people with long term cancer end up when something goes wrong of an evening? Clue: They don't wait until the following Monday during office hours.

True, but then

If you get cancer hope you are happy waiting 12 weeks.

in an A&E ? Which is what the thread was about.

 

[SirGalahad]

We're talking about A&E , not cancer units, though you probably couldn't understand that, even though you started the thread,What a mo ng!

Cancer waiting times are up. Thicko it's all related. But you obviously know better than the medics.

 

[SirGalahad]

Where do you think people with long term cancer end up when something goes wrong of an evening? Clue: They don't wait until the following Monday during office hours.

Or they walk into A&E because they get too sick still waiting to be seen for their first cancer appointment.

 

[transam]

Cancer waiting times are up. Thicko it's all related. But you obviously know better than the medics.

gender re-asignment waiting times are also up

13000 on the waiting list to see a specialist

its all related

 

[ironsidebod]

True, but then


in an A&E ? Which is what the thread was about.

To decouple the two is to over simplify it. An over worked, under capacity A&E causes knock on effects to the rest of the services in the hospital.

A&E that's at breaking point tends to be patch and dispatch, make an appointment with your GP, the stretch on the services means actual real treatment may well be 12 weeks hence.

None of the issues that trouble the NHS can be viewed in total isolation as our media like to do

 

[Ihavenojob]

But you obviously know better than the medics.

No, and nor do you. Where in your original posts were cancer units mentioned.

 

[Bodd]

Medics disagree but you obviously know better.
What next will you justify?
Death Cult.

If you get cancer hope you are happy waiting 12 weeks.

I think he's right. Targets put pressure on people resulting in work quality being effected. Maybe just maybe things may improve if they can just get on with their jobs.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Non of the issues that trouble the NHS can be viewed in total isolation as out media like to do

Do you not think targets are putting undue pressure on NHS staff ? That was my point.