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It's good that you understand a big part of the problem.
Any idea why there might be staff shortages, regardless of where they come from
The key NHS targets that don't need to be met like transgender awareness
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Any idea why there might be staff shortages, regardless of where they come from
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Err, because where we get them from have shortages in their own country perhaps. What I can’t understand, is, if all these EU workers that the nasty Brexit bastard U.K. kicked out have gone home, why do those countries also have the same shortages that we have? Where have they gone? If they still have shortages in those countries, are you happy to make their situation worse to make ours better - it’s not as if those countries have a glut of health workers, is it?
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I did say regardless of where they come from but you went straight onto the brexit thing, trying to blame it away.
So let's try again
What about uk citizens ? Why do you think there might be a shortage of staff.?
Westminster does not control the amount Scotland spends on its NHS - Full Fact
Although Scotland receives funds from the UK Government, it can spend them on any devolved services.
fullfact.org
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The percentage of EU Health staff in UK is about the same now as pre-Breixt, about 5%. If anything it's risen post-Breixt, from about 4%
So your comments about EU workers are based on a false premise.
His Brexit tirade was nonsense, and factually inaccurate.
Westminster does not control the amount Scotland spends on its NHS - Full Fact
Although Scotland receives funds from the UK Government, it can spend them on any devolved services.
England vs Scotland: Does More Money Mean Better Health?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A factor not included in NHS targets is the underlying health of the regions.
It's probably reasonable to assume that England has a higher underlying health standard than other parts of UK.
But that's only an assumption on my part.
Right next to Sweden.
Must be because we're all so healthy, we don't need 'em.
(Dark humour above, btw)
Although your graph shows it rising from 2009, while UK was part of EU, the rise stopped at about the time of the referendum, and subsequently entered a decline
Your graph also shows Asian and African, previously in decline, starting to rise at about the same time.
And you think these people have ANY impact on the operation day to day?
my misses works in a clinic Ona Thursday consultants, doctors, specialist nurses etc
Unless one specialist nurse stands and regulates the flow of people the consultants and doctors let people leave without seeing the specialist nurses . It’s chaos - is this the fault of the Government?
A very marginal decline of EU workers from about 2016, from about 5.6% to about 5.2%. Hardly worth worrying about, and certainly not enough to warrant Mottie's comments:
If the NHS staff are about 1,500,000 then the change of EU staffing is about 6,000 EU staff difference between 2015 and 2023, spread between the 27 member nations of the EU, about 200 health staff from each member nation. Or each member nation is providing 0.013% of UK's health workers
Hardly worth writing home about, and so small to be not noticeable, from each EU member nation's perspective.
If UK had a shortge of 200 health workers, it would hardly be called a 'shortage'. The same applies to each EU member nation.
From the highest levels down to the "delivery" level - I doubt it.
Do you remember the TV programme "Back to the Floor"
Back to the Floor (British TV series) - Wikipedia
I doubt very much has changed
The tax payers ........... you know the people who want better services but don't want to pay any more tax or NI
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