A good kicking

[Gasguru]

Anyone noticed how this football madness is becoming a good excuse for punch up's.

Sitting in the pub late yesterday afternoon at the tale end of the match a minor scuffle started between two of the locals (both in their 50's). The pub was in a nice part of Suirrey.

Driving back later into London a mass brawl took place in Beckenham High Street (traffic stopped as glass and bottles were thrown across the road).

5 minutes later and further into London (now Penge) a couple of low life got thrown out of the pub.

Where did it all go wrong?

 

[empip]

Following the moments when liquid poured from glass to throat....
Legalised drugs which induce bad behaviour .... revenue is everything.

 

[noodlz]

Yes, excessive alcohol and extreme emotions will sometimes lead to trouble

Government and most pubs don't help...why not get a bit more of a social conscience. Not against drinking in itself, but the excessive amounts often drunk in a session is no good for anyone(apart from money generated from sales).

Kiljoy to say it maybe, but I reckon the general drinking culture needs to be addressed big time! Ask anybody who works in an A&E on a Friday night the common denominator. Things can change, it has in professional football itself a lot over the last ten years, so hope it could be done on a wider scale if there's really the will and support from the government.

 

[markie]

There's nothing wrong with a good kicking, as long as it's not you getting the kicking,

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It's nothing to do with football, and everything to do with the fact that for a significant minority of people alcohol is a drug which makes them irrational and violent, and we have a culture of drinking to excess in this country.

Other countries don't - in Italy for example, young people simply do not get drunk - it's regarded as a desperately uncool thing to do.

I don't know how to fix it.

Maybe legalising dope is the answer - if you've been toking all night you come out looking for a kebab, not a fight.

 

[noodlz]

Agree, it has nothing to do with footbal per se, but what I was trying to point out was that the drinking culture amongst top players has changed significantly over recent years. There is hope that it can also change in the wider society. I also agree that on the continent there are generally much better developed attitudes towards social drinking.

It's great going out to a cafe on the continent where one person can have a meal, another a coffee, another a beer and nobody bats an eyelid, instead of over here where most of the time many people don't socialise and have a drink with it, the drink has become the central reason to be there.

I reckon as a possibility we should have a limit on alcohol content in public, just as there's a limit when driving. Let's have police taking tests on a friday and saturday night. If someone's way over the limit, fine them and if repeat offenders give them some community service helping in wards with people with cirrhosis or other alcohol related conditions. It is for their own good and society's.

Pubs that serve excessively drunk people should be fined and if lots of crime and violence occurs within the area of the pubs after people have been out on the lash there, get the blardy pubs and breweries to give back some of their profits to rectifying the problems and improving that community, instead of these half-ar*ed ads to drink responsibly then having happy hours at 6 o'clock!

If only the government would open its eyes to the problem and at least try to address it.......I'm not talking prohibition, but just to promote initiatives to recondition people's cultural habits for their own good.

 

[markie]

noodlz

Could you imagine how many police they would need to enforce that law, testing people. And what time would you enforce the law, say from 10 pm onwards, in realality you can't introduce that kind of law, because some people have a drink when they leave work on a fri/sat, and you might get some over the limit early on.

PS if i'm rambling on tell me to p#ss off,

 

[noodlz]

Markie....like I could tell you to stop rambling on after my efforts

Might not be workable, but it could be if police had power to apply it anytime...simple breath test at their discretion anytime if someone looks tanked up. I'm not saying charge/fine them when at the same levels as for drink-driving, just like when people have had a real skinful. It might sound harsh, but somethings gotta change. Would be interesting to know the levels of alcohol in those who are admitted to A&E or who commit crimes whilst under the influence. I reckon it'd save on resources in the long-run if the problem was scaled back.

Beyond a certain point of alcohol levels many people are much more likely to do dumbass things that'll endanger themselves and others.......we just have to find a way of stopping people getting to those excessive limits, not complete prohibition.

 

[markie]

Markie....like I could tell you to stop rambling on after my efforts

Might not be workable, but it could be if police had power to apply it anytime...simple breath test at their discretion anytime if someone looks tanked up. I'm not saying charge/fine them when at the same levels as for drink-driving, just like when people have had a real skinful. It might sound harsh, but somethings gotta change. Would be interesting to know the levels of alcohol in those who are admitted to A&E or who commit crimes whilst under the influence. I reckon it'd save on resources in the long-run if the problem was scaled back.

Beyond a certain point of alcohol levels many people are much more likely to do dumbass things that'll endanger themselves and others.......we just have to find a way of stopping people getting to those excessive limits, not complete prohibition.

noodlz,

Don't put yourself down like that, you don't ramble on, you just talk sh#t,


PS just kidding,

 

[noodlz]

You got me there

Must be Bob's fart he sold me on e-bay....instructions said inhale and talk sh*t for hours just like our Bobby

 

[Zampa]

Its down to booze totally...

 

[Odd Job]

Its estimated 10 women will die in the UK this football season with raised domestic violence, all after football matches, police have opened up a speacial unit to deal with all the assaults indoors.

Niether football nor the alcohol industry provide any cash for the casualtys of thier existance.

had to mention it, saw the info on it yesterday, most upsetting thought deserves a post.

OJ

 

[noodlz]

Its estimated 10 women will die in the UK this football season with raised domestic violence, all after football matches, police have opened up a speacial unit to deal with all the assaults indoors.

Niether football nor the alcohol industry provide any cash for the casualtys of thier existance.

had to mention it, saw the info on it yesterday, most upsetting thought deserves a post.

OJ

Fair shout, but bit rich coming from you, even if you were "innocent"...what you up to nowadays?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Its estimated 10 women will die in the UK this football season with raised domestic violence, all after football matches, police have opened up a speacial unit to deal with all the assaults indoors.

They should just ban football.

They banned the ownership of handguns after that nutter in Dunblane killed people, and that sort of thing was an extraordinarily rare event.

If they can ban one form of sport in order to save a tiny number of lives each year, then surely they must ban one that is responsible for the loss of 10 lives each year?

 

[Softus]

They should just ban football.

Football isn't a cause of domestic violence; it might be a catalyst, or the trigger of an incident, but the underlying causes are those that need dealing with, through the provision of help and support to couples, and the education of both children and adults.

Personally I don't see the analogy with football as being a good one, especially since the question of whether or not handguns are wholly assigned to sporting activities is rather moot.

What is certain is that football is enjoyed in harmless ways by a larger proportion of the population that any other sport; the same cannot be said of handguns.