A good kicking

[Adam_151]

They banned the ownership of handguns after that nutter in Dunblane killed people, and that sort of thing was an extraordinarily rare event.

If they can ban one form of sport in order to save a tiny number of lives each year, then surely they must ban one that is responsible for the loss of 10 lives each year?

Ah, but football is a much more popular sport than shooting, there would be a majority that just wouldn't stand for it, the goverment abandoned sound basis for law making quite some time ago and now panders to the wants of minority campaign groups (where the majority are not bothered either way, or are ignorant of the issue, or simply do not know about what is happening, or even have a slight support towards the compaign groups without really understanding the issue)

If laws were made on sound judgement instead then we wouldn't ban handguns (or football), there wouldn't be restrictions on hunting with dogs and domestic electricial work wouldn't be under the building regulations....

 

[Softus]

Anyone noticed how this football madness is becoming a good excuse for punch up's.

Sitting in the pub late yesterday afternoon at the tale end of the match a minor scuffle started between two of the locals (both in their 50's). The pub was in a nice part of Suirrey.

Driving back later into London a mass brawl took place in Beckenham High Street (traffic stopped as glass and bottles were thrown across the road).

5 minutes later and further into London (now Penge) a couple of low life got thrown out of the pub.

Where did it all go wrong?

If you'd made the same journey into Munich last week, or Nuremburg, or Stuttgart, or Frankfurt, or countless other locations in Germany, you'd have seen nothing but smiling faces and happiness.

It went wrong when English society adopted the principles that were later embodied in the ideology that became known as Thatcherism. Much like the Third Reich merely captured the mood of the moment, Margaret Thatcher was demonised for focusing a rising tide of selfishness that continues unabated even today.

 

[vokera80e]

that's nothing to what will happen in pubs next year (NO-SMOKING) When the smokers have had more than their share of the amber nectre..watch it kick off when they all pull their fags out and light up...The landlord/lady cannot be held responsible for the hot heads in our society...and i don't know if it's true or not,But the landlord/lady will be fined if they let it happen...surely NOT ?

 

[Softus]

Yet another doom merchant

Care to enlighten us about exactly what you predict will happen, and why it will happen?

 

[Nige F]

It went wrong when English society adopted the principles that were later embodied in the ideology that became known as Thatcherism. Much like the Third Reich merely captured the mood of the moment, Margaret Thatcher was demonised for focusing a rising tide of selfishness that continues unabated even today.

Spot on, Softus.all that was missing was a marching song or two

 

[vokera80e]

Yet another doom merchant

Care to enlighten us about exactly what you predict will happen, and why it will happen?

i must get out more..
1000 lines please..

we're all doomed i tell yeah,we're all doomed.

 

[keyplayer]

The pub was in a nice part of Surrey.

God, you must have been drunk.

 

[Softus]

Care to enlighten us about exactly what you predict will happen, and why it will happen?

some nonsense

Hm, I thought as much.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

What is certain is that football is enjoyed in harmless ways by a larger proportion of the population that any other sport; the same cannot be said of handguns.

Oh I see - so because it wasn't very many people who had their leisure activity denied them, their property confiscated and their livelihood destroyed it was OK, was it?

 

[markie]

Ban football, when was the last time/or first time, any one was killed by a football, compared to a gun, ?
If someone go's mental with a football what harm can it do, ( unless they hit you below the belt )
But a gun
If every one thinks the way bas thinks, we all might as well stop in the house and never go out, just incase we get run over by a car etc..other wise we'll have to ban cars etc..

 

[noodlz]

Most accidents happen at home so that'll be the last place we could stay, Markie

If football was banned, don't you reckon the nutters would just migrate to another sport or not have a way of dissipating all their nuttinesss and proclivities to nut people? How can someone say that football is responsible for the loss of 10 lives each year? With these domestic violence cases it is an assumption that the football is the main cause...I could just as easily assume that large amounts of alcohol were consumed and that was a greater contributory factor...so why not ban alcohol? Where would it end? Banning football is something the taliban might implement with similarly nutty reasoning. It's only a game

 

[Odd Job]

Its estimated 10 women will die in the UK this football season with raised domestic violence, all after football matches, police have opened up a speacial unit to deal with all the assaults indoors.

Niether football nor the alcohol industry provide any cash for the casualtys of thier existance.

had to mention it, saw the info on it yesterday, most upsetting thought deserves a post.

OJ

Fair shout, but bit rich coming from you, even if you were "innocent"...what you up to nowadays?

hhhmm well you wont be surprised when i say, i have no ideal what you are on about, but back to football.

it should be made a closed event no spectaters, no tv, just results announced. untill people learn to behave.

Its sad as thier are people who realy enjoy the sport and every sunday 25 yards from my home friendly matches are played.
But as they say "its always the few that spoil it for the rest."

Maybe in ten years when teh novelty of yelling at an announcement comes over the TV, it can be reopened to spectators.

It might work it might not, but sure thing is, it fuels violence, why did they ban raves, but let mudering weapon carrying nutters in a closed ground with children in it.

OJ

 

[jbonding]

Ban football, when was the last time/or first time, any one was killed by a football, compared to a gun, ?
If someone go's mental with a football what harm can it do, ( unless they hit you below the belt )
But a gun
If every one thinks the way bas thinks, we all might as well stop in the house and never go out, just incase we get run over by a car etc..other wise we'll have to ban cars etc..

So i take it you never put bricks in an old casey and asked some ****ed fella who just come out of the pub to pass it to you You can guarantee he will try to kick it as far as possible (its a man thing)

 

[markie]

Ban football, when was the last time/or first time, any one was killed by a football, compared to a gun, ?
If someone go's mental with a football what harm can it do, ( unless they hit you below the belt )
But a gun
If every one thinks the way bas thinks, we all might as well stop in the house and never go out, just incase we get run over by a car etc..other wise we'll have to ban cars etc..

So i take it you never put bricks in an old casey and asked some p****d fella who just come out of the pub to pass it to you You can guarantee he will try to kick it as far as possible (its a man thing)

Old casey, i'm not that old,

 

[Softus]

What is certain is that football is enjoyed in harmless ways by a larger proportion of the population that any other sport; the same cannot be said of handguns.

Oh I see - so because it wasn't very many people who had their leisure activity denied them, their property confiscated and their livelihood destroyed it was OK, was it?

I didn't say, or imply, that anything was "OK" - that's too simplistic a description of a decision that's far from straightforward.

There seem to be two elements to this. One is the relative danger presented by allowing people to own handguns, compared to, say, watching football or attending matches. The other is whether or not it's always fair to pander to the majority irrespective of other issues.

Your supposition that I think it's "OK" to pander to the majority is both wrong and misplaced - I was referring to the relative danger. IMHO it wasn't necessary, or particularly effective, for you to be sarcastic in seeking clarification of that point.