"A Society that believes in nothing?"

[Deleted member 63160]

allah doesnt exist so how can you make a joke about him?

Same way you make a joke about Father Christmas I guess?

 

[spacecat]

allah doesnt exist so how can you make a joke about him?

Same way you make a joke about Father Christmas I guess?

Both are Old and fat with a big white beard

One gives you pressies the other cuts your hands off

 

[cantaloup63]

Both are Old and fat with a big white beard

One gives you pressies the other cuts your hands off

Yeah, Santa's really changed of late

 

[zanwan]

You countenance male circumcision and turn it into a joke and then use a classic Straw Man argument using the "female circumcision" also mentioned in this thread which was not what I was attacking your brand of faith over.

eh?! i've been away over the weekend and only skim read the responses before i replied.

I’ll make it real simple for you in Straw Man terms so everybody can see clearly what you have just tried, and failed, to do. In fact I think this is probably the simplest example of Straw Man I've seen: -

Tony: Male circumcision is child abuse

Naz: We don’t circumcise women

lol erm no, this was certainly not my argument. I made my comment about female circumcision to clear up the fact that it has nothing to do with Islam.

In terms of male circumcision, others have made very strong points about the benefits of this from a medical perspective so there really is no need for me to reiterate these points.

In the absence of a direct denial, I take your reluctance to mean it is a painful and sadistic aspect of your faith which it systematically exacts on all innocent male children?

it may be uncomfortable and even painful but its certainly not sadistic. The benefits of circumcision far outweight the negative aspects of it and therefore i am completely in support of this. Add to this the fact i have the look of a porn star when my trousers comes down can only add weight to my support for it.

Did you even watch my link I wonder? It was a boy, not a girl, but you choose to try and wriggle out of it because that’s all you can do instead of addressing the despicable MALE circumcision which you approve of.

no, i didnt watch the video, i cannot view video links from work.

What this shows me is that you will not denounce this cruel practice exactly because your faith tells you to do it instead of thinking about it logically, biologically, impartially and compassionately.

but thinking about it in the manner you mentioned only adds weight to my support for havign this done. Medically, the evidence suggests it does help prevent certain diseases, as well as discomfort.

I’m not falling out with you Naz, but I’ll be dammed if I am going to let you side track this issue or your justification of it on spurious grounds and illogical arguments.

i could never fall out with you But i'm not side tracking your arguments on this issue. i simply felt the arguments i would have used have already been made.

 

[cantaloup63]

Add to this the fact i have the look of a porn star when my trousers comes down can only add weight to my support for it.

I never knew that having the "look of a pornstar" was such an important integral part of the Islamic faith

 

[spacecat]

@Naz

You have previously argued that the human body is perfect designed by god, why are you now advocating removing a part of it?

Removing the foreskin reduces sensitivity and diminishes sexual pleasure
Basic hygiene is all that is required to keep it healthy and clean

 

[Space cat]

Medically, the evidence suggests it does help prevent certain diseases, as well as discomfort.

What discomfort? Mine has never given me any trouble. Hands up all those uncircumcised men who even notice their 4skin most of the time.

Removing the **** reduces sensitivity and diminishes sexual pleasure
Basic hygiene is all that is required to keep it healthy and clean

The extra-terrestrial felines concur on this one.

 

[Big Tone]

@ Naz. It is a complete contradiction to say your faith is a kind and benevolent one and then commit an act of cruelty on an innocent and defenceless child.

I'm sorry you don't see that. I guess because it’s out of sight and therefore out of mind, and you don’t want to look at the link or any evidence of this from home or wherever, so it’s even easier for you to dismiss it. It just goes to show what people will say in ignorance to defend the indefensible in the name of their faith.

I say again, please answer the replies: -

Add to this the fact i have the look of a porn star when my trousers comes down can only add weight to my support for it.

I never knew that having the "look of a pornstar" was such an important integral part of the Islamic faith

@Naz

You have previously argued that the human body is perfect designed by god, why are you now advocating removing a part of it?

Removing the **** reduces sensitivity and diminishes sexual pleasure
Basic hygiene is all that is required to keep it healthy and clean

It also leads to more deviant sexual acts because it is desensitised. You started off well Naz and I was warming to many of the things you explained.

But you have successfully completely turned me off your faith and shown just how when it comes to facts you in fact don’t change your mind. Your allegiance is towards your faith over and above all other concerns no matter how much proof you are given. And you expect people to respect your faith when it commits such a heinous act as this?

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree. If someone else wants to fight my corner you're welcome. I've had this argument before with happy-clappy Christians, Jews, fanatics and now you. The outcome is always the same...

 

[Space cat]

It also leads to more deviant sexual acts because it is desensitised.

Would you care to elaborate on that? As far as I can see, there's nothing a circumcised man can do that I can't. I'd hate to think I was missing out on anything.

 

[zanwan]

Add to this the fact i have the look of a porn star when my trousers comes down can only add weight to my support for it.

I never knew that having the "look of a pornstar" was such an important integral part of the Islamic faith

i've never claimed it was.

The pornstar look is a personal benefit, not an Islamic requirement

 

[spacecat]

Add to this the fact i have the look of a porn star when my trousers comes down can only add weight to my support for it.

I never knew that having the "look of a pornstar" was such an important integral part of the Islamic faith

i've never claimed it was.

The pornstar look is a personal benefit, not an Islamic requirement

Still dodging the PERFECT HUMAN BODY ARGUMENT!

Cognitive Dissonance!

 

[Big Tone]

Add to this the fact i have the look of a porn star when my trousers comes down can only add weight to my support for it.

I never knew that having the "look of a pornstar" was such an important integral part of the Islamic faith

i've never claimed it was.

The pornstar look is a personal benefit, not an Islamic requirement

Still dodging the PERFECT HUMAN BODY ARGUMENT!

Cognitive Dissonance!

That's because he has a choice between an invalid reply or not to reply at all Space Cat...

 

[zanwan]

@Naz

You have previously argued that the human body is perfect designed by god, why are you now advocating removing a part of it?

Removing the **** reduces sensitivity and diminishes sexual pleasure
Basic hygiene is all that is required to keep it healthy and clean

Well i cannot say if it reduces pleasure or not, but i'm sure its less sensitive and hence those without the "4-skin" probably last a while longer whilst rocking the boat, and therefore increase pleasure for the women

As for the human body being perfect, i stand by my claim, it is the perfect design, and removing a bit of skin which serves no real purpose is a very minor issue.

 

[Big Tone]

@Naz

You have previously argued that the human body is perfect designed by god, why are you now advocating removing a part of it?

Removing the **** reduces sensitivity and diminishes sexual pleasure
Basic hygiene is all that is required to keep it healthy and clean

Well i cannot say if it reduces pleasure or not, but i'm sure its less sensitive and hence those without the "4-skin" probably last a while longer whilst rocking the boat, and therefore increase pleasure for the women

Incorrect! See below.

It also leads to more deviant sexual acts because it is desensitised.

Would you care to elaborate on that? As far as I can see, there's nothing a circumcised man can do that I can't. I'd hate to think I was missing out on anything.

If you’re wearing a helmet you can’t scratch your head like you could if you remove the helmet. So you end up swinging the missus from the chandelier with her arse on fire just so you can ‘get off’. And before anyone says they might enjoy that, I can tell you from personal experience that uncircumcised men can go around the clock like a jack hammer. You just have to know what you are doing and learn self control.

Of course it’s not too late for us to find out what it’s like to have the procedure; I’m sure Naz would be happy to loan us a machete’, cigar clipper, rusty knife or maybe a virgin to just bite it off for us.

As for the human body being perfect, i stand by my claim, it is the perfect design, and removing a bit of skin which serves no real purpose is a very minor issue.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

This is a bit of an unfair argument I think. Any man who's had a bit of his
knob cut off at his parents request is gonna have to try and justify it to himself.