alcohol / kids

[Steve]

Soon in a lot of stores in the UK, you will be asked for ID to prove you are over 18, if you appear to be under the age of 25. Both the Co-operative and Tesco have signed up for this, and are in the process of retraining all their staff.

This is all well and good, and will help to cut down underage sales.

However, I can see a lot of customers being extremely ****ed off with being asked for ID when they've not been asked for it for 4 years and have stopped carrying it everywhere.

This is the solution to all the problems as I see it:

Change the law so that EVERYONE must produce ID when purchasing alcohol. Stores in some states in the USA already ID every customer. Make it the law that every customer produces ID, which is recorded by the outlet (recording the ID name and DOB would be adequate, as well as them checking the age of course). A national campaign would be run to make everyone aware of this, and all retailers would be required to sign up to it.

This has two benefits:
Customers KNOW they will be asked for ID, therefore will carry it.
Staff will feel much less awkward asking people for ID, because people will just produce it.

/discuss

 

[LastMagicBean]

some states in the USA already ID every customer.

Some years ago in Missouri (Work related) I was asked for ID, along with work colleagues, when we were out on the town........... I WAS 29 !
Didn't get upset about it at all....(Quite flattering really)...

Then again....... Saw a young bloke getting refused in a local 'offey' the other week....He was protesting that he was 21........
they wouldnt have it .... So he went absolutely mad and threatened to burn the place down.......Mad World, but i dont think there is a definitive solution....

 

[Steve]

Then again....... Saw a young bloke getting refused in a local 'offey' the other week....He was protesting that he was 21........
they wouldnt have it .... So he went absolutely mad and threatened to burn the place down.......Mad World, but i dont think there is a definitive solution....

This is exactly the scenario my proposal would eliminate. The young gent would know he was going to get ID'd, therefore would have it ready.

 

[ColJack]

I thought this was going to be a "does one cause the other" thread

the sooner they get the secret tagging under way again the better.. once everyone is tagged ther'll just be sensors fitted in the shops that tell the store who you are, what your credit rating it, and tells the government what you buy and how frequently..

 

[securespark]

Each ID card (specially produced and paid for by the alcohol industry) should have a bar code so that a system logs every time the card is used. This has the advantage of flagging up overuse (or abuse) if it is, for example, scanned many times in one 24 hour period.

I still like my idea that you have to be registered with Inland Revenue in order to buy alcohol. The POS adds a premium to any alcohol sales (to put off underage or non-tax-paying purchasers) and it is refunded by the IR every quarter.

 

[LastMagicBean]

This is exactly the scenario my proposal would eliminate. The young gent would know he was going to get ID'd, therefore would have it ready.

Yep fair comment..............BUT...what about the bloke in his forties ....quickly nipping round the local offey to get some reserves for the big sunday afternoon BBQ.....and they refuse him due to not having his ID.............There would be uproar....
Simply wont work steve....Although I can see where your coming from.

 

[kevindgas]

as a Ex Landlord I think its a load of Bllx

the youngsters will just get the adults to buy the alcohol as happens in 90% of off licences now

get rid of the age limit and it won't be so attractive to youngsters.

the whole situation of underage drinking / drugs / sex is caused by the fact it is illegal

 

[Steve]

the whole situation of underage drinking / drugs / sex is caused by the fact it is illegal

Its illegal in the states. They dont have epidemics of teenage pregnancies and kids smacked off their tits on street corners (well they do, but not in the concentrations we experience in this country)

People would just have to get used to getting asked for ID, just as they are asked for cash. Most people carry a wallet / purse, which has a space for an ID doc / card, making it unforgettable. The adverts everywhere, including inside licensed premises would also get the message across.

 

[kevindgas]

The adverts everywhere, including inside licensed premises would also get the message across.

like the change to the gas registration!!!

 

[NS215]

the whole situation of underage drinking / drugs / sex is caused by the fact it is illegal

Its illegal in the states. They dont have epidemics of teenage pregnancies and kids smacked off their **** on street corners (well they do, but not in the concentrations we experience in this country)

no they just go around shooting each other instead

when i was underage we used to get older people to get us our alcohol but the difference is we used to go out of the way to some old army camps or down the canal where we couldn't bother people, nowadays its all in your face

 

[Soggy_weetabix]

the whole situation of underage drinking / drugs / sex is caused by the fact it is illegal

Its illegal in the states. They dont have epidemics of teenage pregnancies and kids smacked off their **** on street corners (well they do, but not in the concentrations we experience in this country)

Ever been there and seen it?
If so, Id agree with you. If not, your comment is at best un-eduated and at worst blatant slander.

Perhaps our youth should all smoke Crystal Meth?

Perhaps you could explain the 'States' that you find certain things that are illegal. UTAH for example?

Dave

 

[solo]

Anyone who buys alcohol at the co-op wants their heeds looking at. Pricey.

 

[dextrous]

The world would be a better place if we banned alcohol, religion and cigarettes altogether

 

[tim west]

The world would be a better place if we banned alcohol, religion and cigarettes altogether

and sex

 

[MarkBarl]

I think that the think 25 that is currently in use by supermarkets is a good route to go. I know from when I worked in a pub many years ago it was really difficult asking for ID as some would get really offended. If you have a blanket policy to ID anyone who looks under 25 it makes it far easier and less embarrassing for everyone.