All aboard!

[diy_fun_uk]

Great distraction technique though.

Still nothing addressing the issue. Bet a few people are getting rich from these boats. Money that could and should have been spent on processing

The total cost of procuring floating barges to house illegal migrants has finally been revealed, after weeks of calls for the Government to come clean on how much it is spending on its latest attempt to deal with numbers crossing the Channel.

A staggering £1.6 billion contract has been handed to a controversial Australian travel firm to establish the ships, bridging accommodation and travel services, it has been reported.

(source: Daily Express)

 

[Mottie]

It’s wrong how strangers are expected to share a bedroom though; sounds like a shared prison cell.

They’re not strangers to each other. Do you think they had their own separate tent and toilet facilities while holed up in France? The very last thing on my mind when I was fleeing the wars and persecution that they claim they were suffering would be sharing a bedroom with someone else in the same position.

If you were escaping a war torn country and looking to claim asylum in the third safe country you'd arrived in, would you honestly expect a bedroom to yourself whilst waiting for your asylum claim to be processed?

 

[motorbiking]

How many people get accommodation for £1.6bn? I guess they need security guards etc.

I'd happily share a bathroom with a stranger. They are not expected to use it at the same time and its not like they are expected to all squeeze in the bath together.. like this:

The people providing these boats are the ones getting rich.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

How many people get accommodation

The people providing these boats are the ones getting rich.

And the people providing the accommodation. Right wing benefits.

Money better off spent elsewhere as has been explained before

 

[Roy Bloom]

How many people get accommodation for £1.6bn?

How many asylum processing officers would that cover?

 

[Give up]

I get your point, but it still doesn’t lie well with me; these are extremely small rooms and I believe some rooms not much bigger than these house 4 ppl even. What if a person empowers another?

 

[Mottie]

I get your point, but it still doesn’t lie well with me; these are extremely small rooms and I believe some rooms not much bigger than these house 4 ppl even. What if a person empowers another?

Ah, so what size room do you think an asylum seeker should be given and do you think they should all have their own toilet and washing facilities? Remember, this is free accommodation from the third safe country they have been in that has been given to them while their claim is being decided.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I'm not sure if true, however someone on tv this morning said the barge was used to house 100s of servicemen for months on end during an exercise/conflict x years back. The assertion being if it was okay for them ...

Part of the challenge around much of this is the fact we are a democratic country adhering to various laws that protect the individual. Don't get me wrong, not for a nano sec am I suggesting these laws aren't in the main good. They protect all of us. However my point is, because we're not like some other countries in the world who would just ignore local/global conventions and do what the heck they like, this contributes to the lack of any real progress around this.

Real world example, some migrants refusing to get on the barge and people assisting them in their cases.

Round and round and round it goes.

 

[JP_]

The problem is not the barge, the hotels, the camps, it is that it takes our government years to process people. If they put in human resources and sped up processing, none of this would be needed. But due to incompetence on a massive scale, we have to imprison people, who have abandoned their homes, possessions, jobs, family etc., on giant floating barges.

Can you imagine fleeing a country only to be flung in a prison indefinitely. Their will be protests.

 

[Mottie]

How many people get accommodation for £1.6bn? I guess they need security guards etc.

I'd happily share a bathroom with a stranger. They are not expected to use it at the same time and its not like they are expected to all squeeze in the bath together.. like this:

The people providing these boats are the ones getting rich.

Ah, bless 'em. Look at the smiles of relief on their faces, especially the women and children. Wait a minute…….

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The problem is not the barge, the hotels, the camps, it is that it takes our government years to process people. If they put in human resources and sped up processing, none of this would be needed. But due to incompetence on a massive scale, we have to imprison people, who have abandoned their homes, possessions, jobs, family etc., on giant floating barges.

Can you imagine fleeing a country only to be flung in a prison indefinitely. Their will be protests.

I think most people are agreed the lack of processing efficiency is at the core of the issue. It's little wonder folk start to form conspiracy theory-esque views as to why this part of the jigsaw isn't being fixed.

However, I'm not sure I'd equate where these migrants have been housed (including the barge) as being like prisons.

 

[sxturbo]

It does not seem to matter where they are held nothing is ever good enough, no one seems to have an answer as to where they should be held just complain at every turn, put them in hotel they complain, put them in ex army accomodation they complain, put them in offshore accomodation they complain....

Bearing in mind the above mentioned accomodation is wholly satisfactory for everyone else, offshore workers live on the barge, army personnel live in barracks and people holiday in hotels...

Tell me those that are complaining, where should the immigrant's be stored during processing?

What happens to them once processed though?

I'm pretty certain if I had come from the shanty towns of Calais and was getting a nice comfy room with 3 square meals a day, heating, WiFi, clean washing facilities, and some pocket money with free roaming and free legal advise so that I could gain all I could from the state I'm pretty certain I'd be pretty darn happy and wouldn't be complaining, surely it's got to be better than where I came from if even the squaller of Calais was better than my home country.

 

[sxturbo]

I think most people are agreed the lack of processing efficiency is at the core of the issue. It's little wonder folk start to form conspiracy theory-esque views as to why this part of the jigsaw isn't being fixed.

However, I'm not sure I'd equate where these migrants have been housed (including the barge) as being like prisons.

Is the back log caused by the constant merry go round caused by the appeals process?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Is the back log caused by the constant merry go round caused by the appeals process?

From my earlier post:

Part of the challenge around much of this is the fact we are a democratic country adhering to various laws that protect the individual. Don't get me wrong, not for a nano sec am I suggesting these laws aren't in the main good. They protect all of us. However my point is, because we're not like some other countries in the world who would just ignore local/global conventions and do what the heck they like, this contributes to the lack of any real progress around this.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It does not seem to matter where they are held nothing is ever good enough, no one seems to have an answer as to where they should be held just complain at every turn, put them in hotel they complain, put them in ex army accomodation they complain, put them in offshore accomodation they complain....

Bearing in mind the above mentioned accomodation is wholly satisfactory for everyone else, offshore workers live on the barge, army personnel live in barracks and people holiday in hotels...

Tell me those that are complaining, where should the immigrant's be stored during processing?

What happens to them once processed though?

I'm pretty certain if I had come from the shanty towns of Calais and was getting a nice comfy room with 3 square meals a day, heating, WiFi, clean washing facilities, and some pocket money with free roaming and free legal advise so that I could gain all I could from the state I'm pretty certain I'd be pretty darn happy and wouldn't be complaining, surely it's got to be better than where I came from if even the squaller of Calais was better than my home country.

Processing quicker would be better though?

Reduce the need for ANY accommodation, and expense?