Amber Rudd

[JohnD]

We are talking about people who have no right to be here.

Are we?

Amber Rudd

Which children are those?

explain why their children should have higher priority than other peoples children

Why do you say they are given higher priority?

 

[motorbiking]

simple queing theory would surely be sufficient to explain that?

If you are not the lowest priority, then you have higher priority than someone who is. Obviously if you are at the bottom of the medium priority queue and nobody is in the low queue then it’s not an issue.

on your other point what do you define an illegal immigrant as?

I also don’t see the landing card issue as a big deal. Someone who has been here for 40+ years will have medical records, national insurance cards, bank accounts, council tax records etc.

 

[ellal]

It appears that some people still bring out the 'illegal immigrant' argument in order to gloss over the f uck ups - Mayhem has just done it again today!

So a couple of questions to motorbiking...

Are you in this country legally?
Can you prove it?

 

[SirGalahad]

Mismanaging the process of granting citizenship to people who have a right to be here is one thing. Given an illegal immigrant is someone by definition who should soon be leaving the country as a family unit, can someone explain why their children should have higher priority than other peoples children?

Nobody said there was a policy to deny their children a school place, but a policy to ensure everyone else's kids were prioritised above them. Remember we aren't talking about asylum seekers, refugees, people who have been messed up by the system etc. We are talking about people who have no right to be here. I know that is not the child's fault, but why should they be given a school place at the exclusion of someone who has a right to be here?

Higher priority? Schools admissions are strict - not come across where the immigration status plays a part.

 

[ellal]

Higher priority? Schools admissions are strict - not come across where the immigration status plays a part.

Not for current admissions, but until very recently it was policy to question race (even guess!) in order to possibly facilitate removal and by default deny any siblings access in future.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-told-to-guess-pupil-ethnicity-a7372271.html

When asked about our youngest's ethnicity a while back I simply put NOYFB in the box!

 

[JohnD]

I also don’t see the landing card issue as a big deal. Someone who has been here for 40+ years will have medical records, national insurance cards, bank accounts, council tax records etc.

"Part of the problem has been a requirement to provide four pieces of evidence for each year that a person has been in the country.

Windrush migrants must prove they have been in the UK continually since 1 January 1973, when they were granted the right to stay in the country permanently...

To gain this official recognition, people must apply for an official stamp known as No Time Limit (NTL), at a cost of £229.

The Home Office has put the onus on the individual to provide evidence.

It has not been using central tax and pension records, which could prove someone has been working, to support people's applications. Instead, the current system relies on people having kept their own documentation including payslips and bank statements."

So, let's see. Suppose you came to this country in 1968 as a child of three, accompanying your dad from Trinidad who had served in the RAF in WW2 and worked for London Transport until his death. Have you got four pieces of documentary evidence for each of the past 50 years? Bearing in mind that the government has decided not to use your tax and National Insurance records?

Now let's suppose you're a retired plumber from Surrey.

Have you got four pieces of documentary evidence for each of the past 50 years?

Well?

Have you?

 

[ellal]

"
Have you got four pieces of documentary evidence for each of the past 50 years?

Well?

Have you?

What most 'british' people don't realise is that if for example you lose your official documents (issued by a state that doesn't keep long term immigration / passport records), then you have to prove to the state that you have a right to be here or even that you exist!

However the state doesn't give a f uck about your particular circumstances.

First they came for...?

Oh that's right, that topic was locked!

 

[JohnD]

illegal immigrant

"The children of Commonwealth citizens who arrived in the UK with their parents up the early 1970s were automatically granted leave to remain.

But some have recently lost their jobs and access to NHS services, or been detained in immigration removal centres, because a change in the law means they have to prove they have been living in the UK, even though they have been in the country legally for decades."

Perhaps you will be delighted that this man lost his job, and was locked up

"Changes to migration rules introduced when Prime Minister Theresa May was home secretary mean those who lack documents are now being told they need evidence to continue working, access key services or even remain in the UK.

This is what happened to 60-year-old Anthony Bryan. He lost his job when he received a letter informing him he had no right to remain in the UK.

He says: "It was a shock because I have always thought I was legal, I was British. I have been here from when I was eight. I didn't give it another thought."

Mr Bryan, who came to Britain from Jamaica in 1965, was held in a detention centre twice for nearly three weeks last year.

He has since been given leave to remain, but is still waiting for legal paperwork to confirm his right to stay."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43806710

 

[SirGalahad]

May needs to resign. She was the architect of this.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...t-no-10-over-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards

Who said experience doesnt matter.

The introduction of the hostile environment policy meant the mentality was: ‘I’m going to say no, unless you can prove me wrong.’ Whereas before we’d been a lot more lenient towards the Commonwealth immigrants. We had no problem about going after everyone else, but the Commonwealth immigrants had always been a different kettle of fish,” said the official, who asked not to be named.

“That changed about five or six years ago with the hostile environment. Some of the immigration people welcomed it. There was a ’gotcha attitude’ – some people enjoyed it; I didn’t like that.”

“I was saying to them: ‘Look they’re more British than you! How can you, a 27-year-old fellow, refuse a 54-year-old fellow, and say he’s not entitled to remain in a country he’s lived in for 51 years? It is madness. It upset me and a few of the older staff members when they started saying to these fellows: we want four pieces of information per year you’ve been here.

“There were some people who enjoyed saying: I’ve caught you, you are illegal. But they weren’t illegal at all. I’ve got no issue with people getting rid of illegal immigrants but the Jamaican and Trinidadians – these are Commonwealth people, who were British subjects or citizens of the UK and colonies before their countries became independent.”

 

[JohnD]

Theresa certainly implemented the anti-foreigner hostility

But she says it wasn't her idea to destroy the landing card records.

"The former employee (who has asked for his name not to be printed) said it was decided in 2010 to destroy the disembarkation cards, which dated back to the 1950s and 60s, when the Home Office’s Whitgift Centre in Croydon was closed and the staff were moved to another site. Employees in his department told their managers it was a bad idea, because these papers were often the last remaining record of a person’s arrival date, in the event of uncertainty or lost documents. The files were destroyed in October that year, when Theresa May was home secretary"

"Less than a month ago, responding to concern over NHS refusal to grant cancer treatment to Albert Thompson, the prime minister said he “needed to evidence his settled status”."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...troyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer

Thompson, 63, is not receiving the radiotherapy treatment he needs for prostate cancer because he has been unable to provide officials with sufficient documentary evidence showing that he has lived in the UK continuously since arriving from Jamaica as a teenager in 1973. He is unable to pay the £54,000 fee.

 

[Brigadier]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43806710

Theresa May has said the decision to destroy the landing cards of Windrush migrants was taken under Labour.

"The decision was taken in 2009. As I seem to recall, in 2009, it was a Labour home secretary who was in position," she said.

 

[SirGalahad]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43806710

Theresa May has said the decision to destroy the landing cards of Windrush migrants was taken under Labour.

"The decision was taken in 2009. As I seem to recall, in 2009, it was a Labour home secretary who was in position," she said.

Yep. It was labour but according to lots on here it's all labours fault this immigration problems.

Well they should thank them at least for this.

 

[motorbiking]

As I said, in the other thread, those affected in wind rush should be compensated and have their claim sorted out asap. Some of the dozen or so cases reported are truly horrendous and worthy of significant compensation. Some of these people are now homeless ffs.

Lets judge them on how they fix it. They have admitted they failed. They now need to make good the error.

However, the UK does have genuine illegal immigrants who have no right to be here. In a world where public services are finite, they should be at the bottom of the pile for help. Why shouldn't they be?

 

[JohnD]

explain why their children should have higher priority than other peoples children

Why do you say they are given higher priority?

 

[SirGalahad]

As I said, in the other thread, those affected in wind rush should be compensated and have their claim sorted out asap. Some of the dozen or so cases reported are truly horrendous and worthy of significant compensation. Some of these people are now homeless ffs.

Lets judge them on how they fix it. They have admitted they failed. They now need to make good the error.

However, the UK does have genuine illegal immigrants who have no right to be here. In a world where public services are finite, they should be at the bottom of the pile for help. Why shouldn't they be?

The illegals will be off grid. They won't be accessing public services without evidence.