Anti-vax reality check.

[JP_]

It makes sense, as the objective of many far right groups is the downfall of government and society to "prove" that the system is not working, so they would naturally promote anything that helps achieve this - deadly viruses, global warming, getting people to attack government buildings etc etc.

Early on in the pandemic we saw how nativist far right groups quickly got to work by blaming the BAME community, who seem to be more vulnerable to covid, for spreading it during BLM protests. And all the "big pharma" criticisms are being ramped up with the vaccine too, which is being used by far right groups for reasons I really don't get!

This sort of explains it, I think:

"Scholars have resorted to the solution aversion model to account for the growing political division around vaccination. According to this model, individuals with divergent political ideologies perceive social issues differently because of their inherent aversion to specific solutions. In the case of vaccine passports, its implementation depends on stringent government regulations, which are deeply unpopular among many far-right individuals." https://theconversation.com/the-ant...lized-by-far-right-political-extremism-166396

 

[JP_]

has @johnny2007 answered yet?

No, course not.

 

[transam]

Well, yes, my post was my opinion.

And it appears, from what you said, that the sites opinion is that the anti-vax propaganda, the Covid conspiracy theories, etc, are just as valid "opinions" as the objective truths and real scientific evidence which show that the anti-vax propaganda and Covid conspiracy theories are utter nonsense.

Unbelievable.

There cannot validly be "two sides to the argument" when one side is the facts and the evidence, and the other is the denial of facts and the denial of evidence and claims which are all, every single one, utterly debunked by the facts and the evidence.

There is no such thing as "facts" and "alternative facts".

There is such a thing as "facts" and "fictions".

There is such a thing as "truth" and "lies".

You will have deaths on your conscience.

get a grip

if people want to believe in conspiracy waffle that’s up to them

Tis one conspiracy after another IMO

 

[Captain Nemesis]

YOU doesn't mean you personally Mr denso, it means john smith, the average person who did what is described in my post.

But you said it in a direct reply to him. You quoted him, and replied.

Do you not understand how posting here works?

 

[transam]

I recall there was always some issue over the MMI ? Vaccine

based on some report from some medical doctor ( quack)

 

[Captain Nemesis]

get a grip

if people want to believe in conspiracy waffle that’s up to them

Indeed it is.

But theres a bit more than private beliefs involved when it becomes a case of them being allowed to disseminate conspiracy waffle that causes deaths.

 

[JohnD]

Brace yourselves ...

Son 1 told me that "loads" of kids have "colds" at the moment. We're all testing ... hoping it is just a cold doing the rounds.

As expected, returning large numbers of youngsters to mill around together has upped infections

"Covid cases among England’s schoolchildren hit record peak

Steep jump in infections raises spectre of further educational disruption

New cases among 5 to 14-years-olds increased by 80 per cent week-on-week to 811 per 100,000 in the period ending September 19"
https://www.ft.com/content/1b884913-30cb-4b3e-9a2c-643287188387

though i don't think the Adult cases have shot up to the same extent yet.

maybe because so many adults are vaccinated

but

"The steep jump in Covid infections among children has been followed by an uptick in cases affecting people aged 30 to 49 — their parents’ generation — which now stand at 286 per 100,000, having grown by 7 per cent in the past four days."

 

[JP_]

Yeah, plus schools have largely ended social distancing, bubbles etc. Pretty much back to normal, which is good of course. Just makes the unvaccinated more vulnerable.

 

[JP_]

if people want to believe in conspiracy waffle that’s up to them

One person's freedom of speech can interrupt another's freedom of choice. Some don't choose to believe it.

 

[johnny2007]

But you said it in a direct reply to him. You quoted him, and replied.

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Do you not understand how posting here works?

F#ck me upside down!
I'm not giving you another lesson in English language, Scarlett.
It's not meant to be taken all LITERALLY!
You sometimes refers to people in general, not YOU.

 

[ellal]

Maybe we should look at the opinion of the person who helped create the 'Oxford Jab'?

Covid-19 will just end up causing a cold, says Oxford vaccine creator Sarah Gilbert

"Dame Sarah Gilbert, speaking yesterday in a Royal Society of Medicine webinar, played down fears of a more deadly new variant. “We normally see that viruses become less virulent as they circulate more easily and there is no reason to think we will have a more virulent version of Sars-CoV-2,” she said."

Do jabbers who took that version disagree with her?

"Her comments come as Professor Chris Whitty warned that almost all unvaccinated children will become infected with Covid at some point in the future and around half of youngsters have already caught the virus."

But since 'youngsters' haven't been able to get the jab, why is it necessary now?

If so many have already had the 'virus', and we're not exactly inundated with young deaths because of the 'virus' are we!

 

[johnny2007]

Maybe we should look at the opinion of the person who helped create the 'Oxford Jab'?

Covid-19 will just end up causing a cold, says Oxford vaccine creator Sarah Gilbert

"Dame Sarah Gilbert, speaking yesterday in a Royal Society of Medicine webinar, played down fears of a more deadly new variant. “We normally see that viruses become less virulent as they circulate more easily and there is no reason to think we will have a more virulent version of Sars-CoV-2,” she said."

Do jabbers who took that version disagree with her?

"Her comments come as Professor Chris Whitty warned that almost all unvaccinated children will become infected with Covid at some point in the future and around half of youngsters have already caught the virus."

But since 'youngsters' haven't been able to get the jab, why is it necessary now?

If so many have already had the 'virus', and we're not exactly inundated with young deaths because of the 'virus' are we!

Anyone even raising questions about the covid vaccine is a charlatan, including the very people who invented it.

 

[JP_]

Maybe we should look at the opinion of the person who helped create the 'Oxford Jab'?

Covid-19 will just end up causing a cold, says Oxford vaccine creator Sarah Gilbert

"Dame Sarah Gilbert, speaking yesterday in a Royal Society of Medicine webinar, played down fears of a more deadly new variant. “We normally see that viruses become less virulent as they circulate more easily and there is no reason to think we will have a more virulent version of Sars-CoV-2,” she said."

Do jabbers who took that version disagree with her?

"Her comments come as Professor Chris Whitty warned that almost all unvaccinated children will become infected with Covid at some point in the future and around half of youngsters have already caught the virus."

But since 'youngsters' haven't been able to get the jab, why is it necessary now?

If so many have already had the 'virus', and we're not exactly inundated with young deaths because of the 'virus' are we!

This was always the case. The whole point of herd immunity is that everybody gets exposed to the virus, and after that, we can all fight it off like a common cold.
The whole point of the vaccine is that you get herd immunity without a million British pensioners dying.

As a parent of kids in school, who have had their education destroyed by this, I'd welcome anything that ensures they stay in education.
My youngest is home sick today, with a very bad cold. Could be covid, might be a cold, tests negative at the moment.

How long can we let this continue? Sitting on our hands and doing nothing will prolong it for years.

 

[JohnD]

"Dame Sarah Gilbert, speaking yesterday in a Royal Society of Medicine webinar, played down fears of a more deadly new variant. “We normally see that viruses become less virulent as they circulate more easily and there is no reason to think we will have a more virulent version of Sars-CoV-2,” she said."

Did she say that before Delta spread through the world?

 

[JP_]

Did she say that before Delta spread through the world?

Delta was more contagious only, wasn't it? Not more deadly. Maybe that is the key difference?