Arctic ice melting - maybe not

[Odds]

Report on the news about some new state of the art duel fuel ferry for Scotland that produces more green house gases than the diesel ferry it replaced

Cargo ship in China all
Leccy is used to ferry coal to power stations

8 billion tonnes of coal was mined acrosss the world last year...and none of it was used to fuel our power stations as the last one closed in October. The UK is leading by example and providing economical solutions for green energy, such as solar power. I'm sure you can point out disparities among nations but the transition from fossil fuels will take many years, on which we have a head start.

 

[IT Minion]

8 billion tonnes of coal was mined acrosss the world last year...and none of it was used to fuel our power stations as the last one closed in October. The UK is leading by example and providing economical solutions for green energy, such as solar power. I'm sure you can point out disparities among nations but the transition from fossil fuels will take many years, on which we have a head start.

Not really anymore, our lead was temporary, we're now slipping to middle of the pack.

 

[Odds]

The UK is currently ranked sixth in the world for renewable energy.
Above average, i'd say.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I'm sure you can point out disparities among nations but the transition from fossil fuels will take many years, on which we have a head start.

The UK had the head start on steam power, railways, nuclear, motor vehicles, computers, jet engine, and many, many other things. The problem with being an early adopter, is that it is an expensive process, you make all the mistakes, and the rest of the world can then take advantage, avoiding the mistakes you have made, later selling the tech back to you.

The UK has always been great at idea, and early development, but fails to take advantage of the early investment. We give the technology away.

 

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8 billion tonnes of coal was mined acrosss the world last year...and none of it was used to fuel our power stations as the last one closed in October. The UK is leading by example and providing economical solutions for green energy, such as solar power. I'm sure you can point out disparities among nations but the transition from fossil fuels will take many years, on which we have a head start.

Yeah all very noble

Best you thank Margret Thatcher for starting the process of shutting down the coal industry ? in the UK

 

[IT Minion]

The UK had the head start on steam power, railways, nuclear, motor vehicles, computers, jet engine, and many, many other things. The problem with being an early adopter, is that it is an expensive process, you make all the mistakes, and the rest of the world can then take advantage, avoiding the mistakes you have made, later selling the tech back to you.

The UK has always been great at idea, and early development, but fails to take advantage of the early investment. We give the technology away.

Our nuclear industry was a dangerous joke in the beginning. We lent the Americans some excellent Physicists who were deeply involved in weapons design but they kept us in the dark on nuclear plant design. We were trying to catch up and pushing dangerously fast.

We were dependent on, possibly illegal, technology transfers from the US to even get the Windscale 1 and 2 piles 'working' until Pile 1 melted down in 1957.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The UK had the head start on steam power, railways, nuclear, motor vehicles, computers, jet engine, and many, many other things

Why and how? Why not with the obvious latest trends ?

. The problem with being an early adopter, is that it is an expensive process, you make all the mistakes, and the rest of the world can then take advantage, avoiding the mistakes you have made, later selling the tech back to you.

Because of lack of investment usually. A quick buck is more our style nowadays. Not a long term thing.

The UK has always been great at idea, and early development, but fails to take advantage of the early investment. We give the technology away.

Again, investment, or lack of.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Why and how? Why not with the obvious latest trends ?

Because being first, is expensive - it requires investment in prototypes, maybe numerous prototypes, then even when you have a working system, your system will be improved upon by others. You eventually end up, after lots of investment, with an outmoded system. Better to take a step back and play the longer game.

Again, investment, or lack of.

Investment in new technology, new ideas is never easy to find, it's very high risk. Many decades ago, I was developing a quite sophisticated, optimised domestic heating control system, way ahead of anything commercially available at the time. A time when most domestic controls were electro-mechanical. Could I get investment to turn it into a commercial system? Not on your Nellie. Some of the big players in heating control, were keen to employ me, and develop my ideas, but I wasn't keen on that.

 

[IT Minion]

Because being first, is expensive - it requires investment in prototypes, maybe numerous prototypes, then even when you have a working system, your system will be improved upon by others. You eventually end up, after lots of investment, with an outmoded system. Better to take a step back and play the longer game.

PV, Wind Turbines, Batteries, any other those are out of the prototype phase and have been for a decade or more

I disagree on your view about being a leader, but we haven't led or chosen to even follow when it comes to production. We're just standing by the sidelines whining.

 

[Justin Passing]

Peak coal production likely to slip from the predicted 2027 , to post 2030 in some views. Trump is gobbing about "Clean Coal". Jerk.

I saw today that CHina is building 120 nuclear power stations.. None thorium afaik.
The "small" modular ones take half as long to build so we'll probably see more of those.

 

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Tesla model y battery to manu

12 tons if Rock for Lithum

5 tons for Cobalt

3 tons nickel ore

12 tons copper ore

112 pounds graphite

Earth moving machinery consumes 200 gallons diesel in an hour

All neccesary minerals come from China / Africa

Much of the African materials are mined by children


Deep sea mining of the ocean floor will be the norm

You than obtain zero emissions

 

[wobs]

Tesla model y battery to manu

12 tons if Rock for Lithum

5 tons for Cobalt

3 tons nickel ore

12 tons copper ore

112 pounds graphite

Earth moving machinery consumes 200 gallons diesel in an hour

Your world view needs updating:

https://www.komatsu.com/en/products/trucks/electric-drive-mining-trucks/

Decarbonising is not just for end users.

As for cobalt, that's used in petrol cars as well (catalysts), and various other parts of a car, and other domestic applications.

Tesla are moving away from cobalt as well.

Article here about the issue as a whole:

Is cobalt the blood diamond of electric cars? What can be done about it?

If you’ve got electronics with a battery – a mobile phone, laptop, water, or electric car – then there is a reasonable chance that parts of it were mined through the gruelling work of miners in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Cobalt has been in the spotlight in recent years – often...

www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com

 

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Tesla model y battery to manu

12 tons if Rock for Lithum

5 tons for Cobalt

3 tons nickel ore

12 tons copper ore

112 pounds graphite

Earth moving machinery consumes 200 gallons diesel in an hour

All neccesary minerals come from China / Africa

Much of the African materials are mined by children


Deep sea mining of the ocean floor will be the norm

You than obtain zero emissions

400 pounds of ally / steel and or plastic is also required (?)

 

[wobs]

400 pounds of ally / steel and or plastic is also required (?)

So buy a bike instead? Campaign for better cycle infrastructure......