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[ajohn]

It doesn't now. What went wrong?

He can't get his head around what various countries were like before various related what evers happened. LOL It's interesting to compare the countries concerned with the USA.

Also there are a number of imperialist countries. Not just the UK usually referred to as Great Britain in the past. End result lots of lines on maps defining others. As the UK can't get it's own countries completely happy how could others. Africa and India were a collection of despotic rulers often warring with each other. Much like the UK was many moons ago.

 

[noseall]

He"s good at that

M itch so desperately wanted to be right. His only contribution being smug keyboard waffle.

Poor m itch needs to learn to read.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Africa and India were a collection of despotic rulers often warring with each other. Much like the UK was many moons ago.

Quite, UK set the example for despotic rulers. But it wasn't limited to Africa and India.

No-one is suggesting that UK were the only despotic rulers, but some of the other countries face up to their immoral history.

 

[transam]

Covid19 is not flu.

Both cause deaths and display similar symptoms. If you want to ask questions or are curious about deaths from flu, lock-down measures associated with flu, or BAME statistics associated with flu then why do you keep confusing it with Covid19?

Ask about flu or ask about Covid19. Both are serious illnesses.

I say different

 

[transam]

Tra. NnY is

Troll.

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[noseall]

I say different

Irrelevant.

If you want to debate flu, then so be it. If you want to discuss Covid19, swell. They are however two different killer viruses with their own distinct set of facts.

Just so you know.

 

[mitch66]

M itch so desperately wanted to be right. His only contribution being smug keyboard waffle.

Poor m itch needs to learn to read.

Nought out of three. So many lies, so little time. Impressive stuff

 

[transam]

Irrelevant.

If you want to debate flu, then so be it. If you want to discuss Covid19, swell. They are however two different killer viruses with their own distinct set of facts.

Just so you know.

U call it what u like transam gives not a jot
I call. It chinese flu

 

[transam]

Nought out of three. So many lies, so little time. Impressive stuff

One advantage of this lock down caper is Noseall has not been able to go on one of his foreign excurdions

Embarrassing the UK

 

[ajohn]

We still have despotic rulers really and those that wish to be - separatists. They think separation will help - with what I wonder. While we may elect people they often can't do much about "things". An example was the Snake. The money market forced the UK out of it while saying we will show you who controls the value of the GBP. No government can really take them on. If it wasn't for that we would have been in the Euro - thank heavens some may say but it took a fair few GBP of all of us. Other runs have as well.

You still don't get it. In some countries people return to how they were and dance around etc just as they used to prior to imperialism etc for tourists / important people. Don't know why I am thinking of Charles. While "modern life" might seem a worse option imperialism generally sets peoples in that direction. It usually leaves democracy and education etc plus some infrastructure that wasn't there before. The people left in charge when it goes are sometimes a bad idea but often in many ways don't do a better job of providing jobs and wealth. Some finish up a lot richer than others so extremely in some cases that it is still exploitation. We have stuff made elsewhere as labour rates are much lower - exploitation. The people concerned often live on a pittance, under age workers, poor education and etc.

In short nothing has changed really other than Indian companies buying UK ones showing things can swing the other way but India still has a rather unequal society as do others.

 

[noseall]

So many lies

Correct.

Natzi. Lol.

 

[noseall]

U call it what u like

I call flu - flu and Covid19 - Covid19.

Influenza in China is not all that topical at the moment. But if that is what you want to discuss, then I give not a jot either.

 

[Vinty]

A lot of people forget how much money the British robbed from India.

How much money did Britain take away from India? About $45 trillion in 173 years, says top economist
https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...ion-from-india-in-173-years/story/292352.html

The lies Brits tell themselves about how they left behind a better India
https://qz.com/india/1053297/independence-day-what-good-did-the-british-do-for-india-during-the-raj/

Historians have been bitterly divided on issues of economic history, with the Nationalist school (following Nehru) arguing that India was poorer at the end of British rule than at the beginning and that impoverishment occurred because of the British.
Mike Davis writes that much of the economic activity in British India was for the benefit of the British economy and was carried out relentlessly through repressive British imperial policies and with negative repercussions for the Indian population.
This is reified in India's large exports of wheat to Britain: despite a major famine that claimed between 6 and 10 million lives in the late 1870s, these exports remained unchecked. A colonial government committed to laissez-faire economics refused to interfere with these exports or provide any relief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Raj​

What a wonderful man. He did fine out of it but an awful lot didn't. Some of his reactions were probably down to worrying about his own killing him or kicking him out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe

Notice he was educated by what Rhodes left behind and the Rhodes scholarship still gets some to Oxford. Funny thing for an exploiter to leave behind. Wonder what he was at as well as making money.

Ian Smith made the unfortunate decision for him to declare Rhodesia independent without agreement from the UK. Mugabe was backed and armed etc by China. The Russians didn't want to have anything to do with him as he was an extremist and preferred some one else who was more realistic.

Rhodesia was known as the breadbasket of Africa, when it became Zimbabwe it then became the basket case of Africa.
Corruption, hyper inflation and starvation became the norm under Mugabe.
White farmers were murdered and their land stolen by Mugabe cronies.
The ordinary blackman ended up worse off,
One of the big lies put out by left wing press was that Ian Smith wanted permanent white minority rule, Smith himself said on numerous occasions that he no objection to majority rule in principle but it could only be arrived at gradually.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Rhodesia was known as the breadbasket of Africa, when it became Zimbabwe it then became the basket case of Africa.
Corruption, hyper inflation and starvation became the norm under Mugabe.
White farmers were murdered and their land stolen by Mugabe cronies.
The ordinary blackman ended up worse off,

Of course it was the breadbasket of Africa, so much was being appropriated to UK.

As for corruption, starvation, land stolen, people murdered, Black Africans worse off, just like under colonial rule, so no different really.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

... In some countries people return to how they were and dance around etc just as they used to prior to imperialism ... ... imperialism generally sets peoples in that direction. It usually leaves democracy and education etc plus some infrastructure that wasn't there before. ...

I see you are an ardent supporter of Boris Johnson's view that Africa should be recolonised.

In an article titled “Africa Is A Mess, But We Can’t Blame Colonialism,” published on 2nd February 2002, by The Spectator Magazine, the now British Prime Minister, Boris Johnson said Colonialism should not have ended in Africa

According to him, “The best fate for Africa would be if the old colonial powers, or their citizens, scrambled once again in her direction; on the understanding that this time they will not be asked to feel guilty.” Suggesting the recolonization of the continent as a remedy to its plight.
https://eyegambia.org/africa-is-a-m...e-ended-british-prime-minister-boris-johnson/


Boris Johnson said colonialism in Africa should never have ended and dismissed Britain’s role in slavery
MPs call on prime minister to explain whether he still believes ‘the problem is not that we were once in charge, but that we are not in charge any more’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...m-africa-british-empire-slavery-a9564541.html​