Before we pay the fella - is this cobblers?

[EliteHeat]

Blimey! it's not often you get a real, live illegal install happening before your very eyes - this is better than TV.

Any chance that the OP could film the meeting, or at least wear some sort of disguise like they do on Rogue Traders?

Decent pipe work though.

 

[JPC]

we fitted a viessmann system t'other day and last meter in 15mm...
Working pressure good...although we did calculate id should be good.
as you know its not got to be 22mm...its got to supply enough gas...whether thats 15,22 or 28.

 

[Luther]

There is a 22mm Gas Supply under the floor boards but the bit going up to the boiler above the floorboards is 15mm. The bit under the floorboards looks like a redundant water pipe that's been converted possibly. I'm thinking we should turn the boiler off until a Corgi registered guy looks at it tomorrow am?

Although the customer is just as bad in my view, you pay peanuts and all that.

This really wasn't the case - we had no idea how important the Corgi registration was, we didn't realise he HAD to have it to fit the boiler. We are certainly guilty of stupidity but not willfully using someone dodgy to save some money - we have 2 small children and would never risk their lives to save a few pounds. The quote he gave us was what we would have expected to pay for a condensing boiler.

 

[Corgigrouch]

Blimey! it's not often you get a real, live illegal install happening before your very eyes - this is better than TV.

Any chance that the OP could film the meeting, or at least wear some sort of disguise like they do on Rogue Traders?

Decent pipe work though.

I look really good in a droopy moustache... Kinda 70s Swedish pornstar/ plumber... can even put on a dodgy foreign accent so as not to draw attention to myself

 

[Biggles..]

Whatever he does also get him to terminate the PRV properly rather than letting it discharge straight out with hot water should it ever operate.

 

[sambotc]

Decent pipe work though.

One thing's for sure, you won't be getting a certificate from building control to tell you it's been fitted to current standard, especially if he ain't corgi.

You will want one of these when/if you come to sell.

 

[EliteHeat]

Whatever he does also get him to terminate the PRV properly rather than letting it discharge straight out with hot water should it ever operate.

And didn't make much of an effort to cut the flue to length either - but then again as he isn't corgi registered maybe he thought that this would be illegal

 

[BOB D.O.L.E]

All rise...
You have looked at the evidence put before this court.
Do you find the defendant GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY.

 

[Deleted member 105431]

All rise...
You have looked at the evidence put before this court.
Do you find the defendant GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY.

GUILTY!

 

[totalshell]

guilty as hell

but you have to question the purchaser.. 1800 is not peanuts ( fitting a worcester 24i for £1950 tommorow) so its not far off the going rate for a top class boiler in rochdale....

 

[good old the jazz]

He is guilty on two accounts:

1)not fitting a condensing boiler.

2)fitting a halstead.

 

[Luther]

guilty as hell

but you have to question the purchaser.. 1800 is not peanuts ( fitting a worcester 24i for £1950 tommorow) so its not far off the going rate for a top class boiler in rochdale....

See this is where me, as average Joe who knows nowt about it, gets confused. Someone else said "you pay peanuts, you get monkeys" as if we were naive to think we could get the work done properly at that price and are therefore at least partly to blame. Then you come along and say we're daft to pay as much as that....

As far as I knew, we were paying 1800 for a condensing combi and to switch the pipework over from a back boiler, remove the hot water tank etc etc. I asked a few friends who have had work done and that seemed to be about right, and we had a couple of recommendations locally, so off we went. So, I completely accept that we should have checked his corgi credentials and that is daft - but I don't get what else we are supposed to have done re. price.

Not paid him anyway, and probably not going to, so largely irrelevant now.

 

[good old the jazz]

Are you sure you asked for a condensing boiler?

 

[Luther]

Definitely. Discussed with him how they work and about the potential savings in our gas bills. When confronted today, he didn't question that we were expecting a condensing boilder, but said "yeah, this one is not condensing, but it is A rated, so that's the same thing..." which I disputed, given it's a D rated one according to Halstead and also not to current regs seemingly.

I have to say though, if it is not legal to fit a non condensing boiler in a 3 bed semi anymore, then as a customer why should I have to ask for a condenser? Surely that should be a given?

 

[WDIK]

according to the installation manual, the pipe work is correct.

however this a band D boiler

The Seasonal Efficiency (SEDBUK) is 78.5 % and conforms with Band D. The efficiency value
is used in the UK Government Standard Assessment (SAP) for energy rating of dwellings.

the ace HE is A rated.

High Efficiency Boilers Only From April 2005

The Government aims to reduce UK carbon levels by changing the Building Regulations Part L1, and by April 2005, boilers installed in homes in England and Wales should fall into the SEDBUK band A or band B categories (high efficiency or condensing boilers).

The Heating & Hotwater Industry Council and its members support the Government's aim to reduce carbon emissions.