Beginning of the end for the Saxe Coburgs?

Yeah. Gotta dream!
The next 5 years will be interesting. Not that that's a good thing!
 
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Yeah. Gotta dream!
The next 5 years will be interesting. Not that that's a good thing!

It will be interesting.

The biggest danger we currently face is politicians getting away with lying and the media colluding.

Until politicians get held to account, we face difficult times.
If Brexit happens, at some point the lies will be replaced with reality and as things stand, I believe Johnson and his cabinet keep doubling down as they try to hide the failure at each stage.......and the Telegraph and DM will collude.

We already know there is zero chance of an EU FTA by Dec 2020, so the no deal arguments will continue to fly.
 
To be accurate, I don't think Epsteen - nor Andrew - has actually been accused of being a 'paedophile'.
Epstein pleaded guilty to,amongst other things,sexually abusing a 14 year old girl.What alternate phrase would you use to describe him?
 
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Epstein pleaded guilty to,amongst other things,sexually abusing a 14 year old girl.What alternate phrase would you use to describe him?
I think it depends on what the definition of a child is:

The definition of a paedophile is often used to describe a person who is sexually attracted to children.
In this country we class children those who are under 16.

But I think the more scientific description is: 'a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children'.

I dont actually think the term applies to Prince Andrew, but nevertheless these girls were groomed and they were used as playthings -what he did was appalling and he takes no responsibility for it and feels no remorse.
 
The definition of a paedophile is often used to describe a person who is sexually attracted to children
So why does he mess about with under age girls unless he finds them attractive.? Your devil advocate stuff is just silly
 
So why does he mess about with under age girls unless he finds them attractive.? Your devil advocate stuff is just silly
its not 'devils advocate stuff'

peadophilia describes a specific condition and it appears to apply to 'pre pubescent girls' -that seems a pretty specific description to me.
 
Epstein seems to be a pretty nasty character, Prince Andrew has a lot of explaining to do

Epstein:
Beginning as far back as 2001, Epstein lured a steady stream of underage girls to his Palm Beach mansion to engage in nude massages, masturbation, oral sex and intercourse, court and police records show. The girls — mostly from disadvantaged, troubled families — were recruited from middle and high schools around Palm Beach County. Epstein would pay the girls for massages and offer them further money to bring him new girls every time he was at his home in Palm Beach, according to police reports.

The girls, now in their late 20s and early 30s, allege in a series of federal civil lawsuits filed over the past decade that Epstein sexually abused hundreds of girls, not only in Palm Beach, but at his homes in Manhattan, New Mexico and in the Caribbean.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article219494920.html
 
Lest you all forget Epstein pleaded guilty to lesser charges in a sweetheart deal that is now being investigated - pleading to state charges and not federal crimes. The state AG at the time Alex Acosta worked previously at the Law firm that was at the time defending Epstein, the same firm the current AG Barr also worked at - Kirland & Ellis.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/09/politics/jeffrey-epstein-acosta-relationship/index.html

And Barr’s father was the headmaster of an elite New York City school that hired college dropout Epstein to teach math and physics.

They are all involved.
 
It has nothing to do with the definition of child.

Paedophilia is an attraction to pre-pubescent children.
 
It has nothing to do with the definition of child.

Paedophilia is an attraction to pre-pubescent children.

They equate under-age to paedophilia. However trying to tease out the nuances is lost on the general public who like broad brushtrokes. Also you then come across as an apologist in their eyes.
 
Epstein pleaded guilty to,amongst other things,sexually abusing a 14 year old girl.What alternate phrase would you use to describe him?
To be more accurate, a much older man sexually abusing a 14 year old girl...

I wonder what those who believe that this isn't a form of paedophilia would think if that happened to a daughter of theirs if they have one?
 
To be more accurate, a much older man sexually abusing a 14 year old girl...
I wonder what those who believe that this isn't a form of paedophilia would think if that happened to a daughter of theirs if they have one?
That is irrelevant.

It is a word with a specific meaning - "little kiddies" if you want it simplified.

That does not detract from the seriousness of the offences.

If you want to use Greek words for things then SirGalahad has furnished you with the correct one - ephebophile.
 
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