Border on the Island of Ireland

EFL. The Sod, Elly, John, Nosey, have all said I'm talking rubbish. Notch has put it a bit more kindly but said pretty much the same thing.

I had no hard evidence just common sense, lateral thinking that the EU are not ready. And are bluffing us
The workers producing the cars the wine and boilers you say are ready to take a hit.

I've been telling you they are not.


They are either going go down fighting or buckle..

They will buckle, its up to them if they buckle before or after a no deal.
 
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July 28, 2019 1:01 pm byWolfgang Münchau
This is a dangerous moment for the EU. It says that it is prepared for a no-deal Brexit, but we all know this is not true. The European Commission has readied itself on a technical level. But this is not the kind of preparedness that matters. EU leaders have not yet braced their voters for the economic impact of a large EU country leaving the customs union and the single market overnight.

The EU is right not to take the new British prime minister’s provocations at face value. They are designed for a domestic audience. But when the rest of Europe’s economies are slowing down sharply, it must prepare for the shock of a no-deal Brexit. I would advise EU leaders to look in the mirror and test whether their determination to uphold the Irish backstop would still hold in the hours before the advancing deadline. It is one thing to claim solidarity with Ireland as a principle; another to tell factory workers who stand to lose their jobs that this is a price worth paying. The tough negotiating stance was, at least in part, informed by assuming a near-zero probability for a no-deal outcome.

I have argued before that this assumption was complacent. The probability was at no point anywhere close to zero. It increased when Boris Johnson emerged as the winner of the Conservative leadership contest. But it never made sense to attach ultra-low probabilities to a legal default position. Especially when there were no House of Commons majorities for the alternatives under European law: ratification of the withdrawal agreement or unilateral revocation of Article 50 by the UK.


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Read the above please.
Well done for trying to correct your stupidity (y)

Of course all that shows is that the EU have prepared their institutions whereas the UK has not...

And that the EU are admitting that a no-deal will have negative consequences all round whereas quitters tell us the UK will benefit - but refuse to give us any details!

Pretty obvious who the ones telling porkies are!
 
Your to easy... Been trying to get somone to bite then you come along...

I could have deleted but I thought let Elle bite again.
 
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Could Johnson succeed?
Yesterday was an important day in British politics. It shifted previous expectations that a Boris Johnson premiership would be short-lived. Perhaps the intruding event was the appointment of the feared and revered Leave-vote mastermind, Dominic Cummings. This appointment sends out the clearest signal that this is not a team to govern but a team to win an election, as Fraser Nelson put in his Telegraph column. We have been arguing for some time that an early election is not a threat for Johnson but a promise. He is ready. So are the LibDems. But Labour is not. The perfect scenario for Johnson.

We need to read Johnson’s categorical rejection of the Irish backstop and his do-or-die promise of October 31 as Brexit day in this context. Johnson is not negotiating right now. There is no point in the EU responding to him. Michel Barnier is right when he writes that the EU should do nothing, except wait and see.

Johnson’s strategy is to get back all the voters who deserted the Tories for the Brexit party. The more he pushes for a hard Brexit, the more voters he will get back. At the same time, he is shifting the Tories towards liberal cosmopolitan positions on social issues, for example on immigration.

The preference of his team is to deliver Brexit first, and then hold elections. At the same they are getting ready for early elections if need be. We don’t think that the current polling numbers give an accurate prediction of the likely political dynamics. If Johnson succeeds in uniting the Leave vote, the game is over. Remainers are split between Labour and LibDems nationwide, and between these and the nationalist parties in Scotland and Wales.

Peter Foster offers an interesting variant of the above theme. His scenario is one in which parliament tries to prevent a no-deal Brexit by forcing an early election. The Johnson/Cummings team will campaign on a theme of betrayal, and win big. After the victory, Johnson goes back to the EU and starts negotiating in earnest. Only then will his position shift.

One of the bellwethers for a shift in UK politics is the sheer sense of panic among Guardian columnists. They all agree that Johnson is really bad news. But we noted Rafael Behr now predicting that Johnson will be in Number 10 for a very long time. And we thought that this, from Suzanne Moore, is truly remarkable:

"While everyone, most importantly the EU itself, says that Johnson cannot achieve what he wants to, it feels as if at last a decision has been made. Do not underestimate how appealing to the electorate that may be."

A potentially opposing force are the bloody rivalries within the pro-Brexit camp. Cummings is probably the smartest political operator in UK politics right now. But he is also divisive. He famously described David Davis as "thick as mince". His hobby is to invent expletives to describe the European Research Group crowd. Its deputy, Steve Baker, yesterday rejected a government job fearing that he would be sidelined. For now, the discontented sceptics have indeed been sidelined. We predict that party unity will hold until the elections. If Johnson wins and delivers Brexit, all is well. If not, then not.


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Turkey's retaliation
Turkey retaliated to the threat of EU sanctions over its drilling off Cyprus, warning that it will suspend the migrant agreement with the EU until it decides to grant Turkish passport-holders visa-free access to the Schengen area. This is is a quid-pro-quo threat aimed to scare and divide the EU over the possibility of sanctions against Turkey. And it may well succeed. After all, the EU might be more scared of being flooded by migrants than Turkey is of losing sight of EU membership.

In 2016 the EU agreed to pay €6bn and to lessen visa restrictions on Turkish citizens, in return for Turkey doing its part to stop the influx of migrants into the EU.

Another interesting and less-reported fact is that Turkey's threat over visa access also relates to Cyprus. Last year an EU report suggested that Turkey would not be able to get visa liberalisation even if it has met all the other benchmarks, unless it recognises the Republic of Cyprus as an independent country.


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]If Johnson succeeds in uniting the Leave vote, the game is over. Remainers are split between Labour and LibDems nationwide, and between these and the nationalist parties in Scotland and Wales.

Again I was told I was talking rubbish.

I never thought I was up on politics as well as the others are. To me it's just common sense. Common sense and Lateral thinking the essentiall... Too many make a mountain out of a mole hill. Common sense and Lateral thinking.......!!!!!!!!
 
We've already dealt with this thread

Help me understand. In the case of the UK leaving the EU. Who says there is going to be a border set up.?

Whos going enforce this border. I can't make head nor tail of it.

The Brexers are making border controls necessary.

Sadly they don't know what they're doing.

Maybe diversion will help? And throwing in meaningless nonsense?

No it won't.
 
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The Brexers are making border controls necessary.

Sadly they don't know what they're doing.

Maybe diversion will help? And throwing in meaningless nonsense?

No it won't.

Wolfgang Münchau. Is not a Brexiteer.
 
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