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[JohnD]

It is extremely common for anti-Semites to say "I'm not racist, being Jewish isn't a race"
It is extremely common for Islamophobes to say "I'm not racist, being a Muslim isn't a race"
there are even people who say "I'm not racist, bring a Palestinian isn't a race"

As far as I can make out, they say that because they think it deflects criticism. It doesn't. It is no excuse for discrimination or abuse; nor even for derogatory newspaper articles or Utube broadcasts or speeches in a Parliament or Twitter or Facebook polemics. As Ayelet Shaked should have known.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

This is typical of your snide retorts with which everyone is completely fed up.
Either discuss subjects logically and properly or don't reply.


I have never said that.
Please quote where I have ever said that anti-semitism is not racist.


Because I say correctly that something is not racist does not mean I am in favour of racism or that that something is OK.

The Race Relations Act does not restrict itself to race. It specifically refers to "other nationalities".

 

[Bodd]

The Race Relations Act does not restrict itself to race. It specifically refers to "other nationalities".

How about Yanks??

 

[Notch7]

Neither good or bad, it just is. Similarly, the wearing of a crucifix, turban, kilt, shtreimel, etc, etc is neither good or bad. Is it important?

how can you compare a crucifix to a burka?

do you not appreciate the difference?

 

[ellal]

Ellal...your argument about a link between bullying and school uniforms makes no sense....

I was just dispelling the rumours/claims that one is inevitably fuelled by the other...

How simple a concept is that to not understand?

 

[Notch7]

The Race Relations Act does not restrict itself to race. It specifically refers to "other nationalities".

The race relations act does not try and redefine the meaning of the word racism.

 

[SirGalahad]

This is interesting...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...ntroversial-burka-comments-amid-a3907106.html

The misrepresentation of him being a leading Imam - it's like getting a shop keepers opinion and saying he is a leading retail specialist! Though, of course he is entitled to his opinion but to purport him as a leading figure says more about the crass 'Evening Standard' newspaper.

Back to the original point - Johnson is making hay whilst the sun shines.

 

[Notch7]

Back to the original point - Johnson is making hay whilst the sun shines.

indeed, 13 pages on this forum so far.

 

[EFLImpudence]

It is extremely common for anti-Semites to say "I'm not racist, being Jewish isn't a race"

You are falling into the trap.
Anti-semites (proper definition) would by definition be lying to say they are not racist, but being merely anti-jewish they would be correct as that does not make one anti-semitic (IHRC definition is wrong) - any more than being anti-catholic makes one an anti-black racist.

It is extremely common for Islamophobes to say "I'm not racist, being a Muslim isn't a race"

They would therefore be correct as well - just the same as Christian is not a race.

there are even people who say "I'm not racist, bring a Palestinian isn't a race"

Also correct - no more than English is a race. A lot of Palestinians are semitic.

As far as I can make out, they say that because they think it deflects criticism. It doesn't.

The truth is important, though.

It is no excuse for discrimination or abuse; nor even for derogatory newspaper articles or Utube broadcasts or speeches in a Parliament or Twitter or Facebook polemics.

That's true. There is no excuse for discrimination or abuse, BUT
not all discrimination and abuse is racism.

 

[SammyInnit]

MOD: Please refrain from more of this pretentious Ad hominem clap trap. All of you.

 

[ellal]

indeed, 13 pages on this forum so far.

Funny how much of those 13 pages are taken up by the stuff you spout/drop which could be likened to the 'leftovers' of the hay eaters...

And many more a topic is left similarly strewn

'Ad Hom' attack, or simply pointing out the nature of the beast?

 

[durhamplumber]

I, also, would like to see your "proper scientific double blind study" that informs your opinions.

Difference is I do not need to give scientific proof for opinions I am not portraying as fact

 

[JohnD]

I am not falling into a trap. Since I am not living in the 19th Century, and I speak contemporary British English, I use the term "anti-semitic" in its ordinary meaning, and not in the meaning which you would like it to have.

 

[EFLImpudence]

That's up to you.

You are therefore probably a racist.

 

[ellal]

Difference is I do not need to give scientific proof for opinions I am not portraying as fact

That's rather odd...

Since you asked me to provide proof of my argument.

And when I did you now say you can't back up your original claim, because your 'facts' are now suddenly 'opinions'?

So basically what you are saying is that you were talking out of your a rse whilst accusing me of not knowing what I was talking about, even though I did!

Debating society material you certainly ain't!